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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 19 June 11 08:49 BST (UK) »
the two pictures in the list of "Austrian National Bibliothec" so in fact in an archive:
http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/Praesentation.aspx?p_iAusstellungID=1206966&p_iPage=18&p_ItemID=&p_eBildansicht=2

Österreichische Nationalbibliothek: http://www.onb.ac.at/ev/index.php

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 18:07 BST (UK) »
So glad to have found your discussion. I have begun researching the costume and fashion designer Ladislas Czettel (1895–1949) in New York archives and have so many questions. My interest came about because when I emptied my great-aunt's apartment after she died in 1981, I discovered 14 original opera costume designs signed Czettel in a brown paper bag in her storeroom. At the time I tried to sell them at Sotheby's, but the reserve price was not met and I took them back. Then, just this summer, being semi-retired, I decided to try to sell them again. However, when I took them out, this time I loved them and determined to find out who Czettel was. So far the search is beyond fascinating; nevertheless, there seems to be no biography of him. I would like to pose questions if this thread is still active. One of the many mysteries is where he is buried. I contacted both the funeral home that handled his body, Frank E. Campbell, and Saint Ignatius Loyola Church on Park Ave (of all places!), where he had a requiem mass. Both went back to their 1949 records and neither noted a burial place. The Archdiocese gave a special dispensation to have the requiem mass but did not say why. (Not a member of the parish, not a Catholic, a suicide?) One important question is how observant was Czettel's family when he was growing up, did he get bar mitzvahed, did he perhaps convert from Judaism?

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 18:49 BST (UK) »
Hi
Love to add to your knowledge as I have a great biography for Ladislav.  Be advised there are a number of falsehoods on the internet which I generally put down to circumstance (being an adopted Jew) and personal vanity (gay and wanting to seem younger than he was)  I am therefore sending you a PM so we can exchange e-mail addresses and then communicate privately.
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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 19:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for your reply, Roy! I am new to RootsChat and must post three times before I can send a personal message; this is Number two.


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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 19:06 BST (UK) »
I believe (hope) this will count as posting Number three.

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 19:09 BST (UK) »
i also noticed this is your first posting so you may not get my Private Message.   If you dont, drop me a line here and I'll try to find some other way of passing all the info including photos on. 
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 19:31 BST (UK) »
You then went off line, so no connection.  Pity.
 I sent another message so look at the PMs again later.  Roy

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 07 October 15 19:51 BST (UK) »
Answers to the questions.

There seems to be no biography of him.
There used to be one on Hungarian Wki where someone plagiarised my research and put a short one out, but even that seems to have been removed. 

Where he is buried?
No Idea, nor do I know who inherited his estate which was considered significant.

..... a requiem mass ... but Not a member of the parish, nor a Catholic, and who committed suicide?
No evidence of him giving up the Jewish faith.  Some sources say he took his own life because of a painful cancer, an alternative is that it was grief over the loss of his younger half brother (actor Emerich Czettel) who never survived Dachau.

How aware were Czettel's family when he was growing up?
How aware of what?  His gayness? Remember in liberal Europe and the USA in 1949, being gay was then considered a crime.

Did he get bar mitzvahed?
Yes, but the synagogue records focus more on his adoption by his new step father.

Did he perhaps convert from Judaism?
Not to my knowledge but he was living in so many capital cities (Budapest, Vienna, Berlin, Paris, and London, there may be a record somewhere to that effect.   I have photos of his Viennese apartment with a large 17th century Madona on display, but am of the opinion it was because he invested in valuable antiques, not a religious conversion.

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Re: Born Vienna 1909, Marriage France 1935
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 October 15 10:20 BST (UK) »
Emmerich Czettel - in Dachau list:
http://stevemorse.org/dachau/dachau.html

Did we have in the past the Ladislaus Wikipedia in german? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislaus_Czettel
http://www.kulturpool.at/plugins/kulturpool/showitem.action?itemId=25769862436&kupoContext=default
https://books.google.at/books?id=T0wz3etGJoUC&pg=PA568&lpg=PA568&dq=Ladislaus+Czettel&source=bl&ots=CK2NMotUIs&sig=HmTteT9PnSqqvyrQOeXD8blV8dU&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBDgKahUKEwiN5oW3irXIAhUCPxoKHe_4DCQ#v=onepage&q=Ladislaus%20Czettel&f=false

This was his address: Bäckerstr.18, 1010 Wien. To get at google maps.
Stated here at the book "Art collection and furnishings from the possession of Professor Ladislaus Czettel in Vienna": https://books.google.at/books/about/Kunstsammlung_und_Wohnungseinrichtung_au.html?id=89fHtwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

I found him listed at Passvisen/ Passport Visas for Feldkirch, Vorarlberg 1914-1918 listed
page 6/38
-> Czettel, Ladislaus Philipp
Beruf/ profession Gewerbekünstler?/ Commercial Artist
Geburtsdatum/ birthdate 03.12.1896/ Dec 03, 1896, Budapest, Ungarn
Staatsbürgerschaft Ungarn/ citizenship Hungary
Bild/ picture Ja/yes
https://www.vorarlberg.at/pdf/rep_14-024bezirkshauptma4.pdf

I wonder why he got just THERE the Visa. Lived he also in Feldkirch close at border to Switzerland?
He was 18-20 Jahre in 1914-1916. What I know - Vorarlberg had some very old Jewish communities.