Matthew Miller

[originQuest]

Hi there,

Two requests here:

Firstly, I beleive the following 1881 census shows my relation Matthew Miller who was baptised in 1818 in South Otterington, the son of William and Mary Hogg.

1881 British Census

 Name     Relation    Marital Status    Gender    Age    Birthplace    Occupation    Disability
 Henry STEPHENSON      Head      M      Male      60      Thorntonle Street, York, England      Merchant (Gen)      
 Ann STEPHENSON      Wife      M      Female      60      York, England            
 Matthew MILLER       Other       W      Male      61      South Otterington, York, England      Gardener (DM)      
 Elizabeth Ann MILLER      Visitor      U      Female      34      Thorntonlee Street, York, England      Housekeeper (Dom)      
 Emma Jane MILLER      Neice      U      Female      25      Easingwold, York, England      Waiting Maid (Dom)      

Source Information:
    Dwelling     Galphay
     Census Place    Azerley, York, England
    Family History Library Film     1342030
    Public Records Office Reference     RG11
    Piece / Folio     4319 / 49
    Page Number     8

I am trying to asertain if there is a family connection between Matthew and Henry Stephenson  ... I suspect their may be due to Emma Jane Miller being shown as a niece.  I have just discovered this branch of my family so I currently do not know if Emma is a daughter of Matthew.

Also, from the NBI, I beleive that Matthew's mother died in South Otterington in 1863 aged 86; can anyone spot her in 1861 and 1851 and 1841 ... I imagine she lived in South Otterington area.  I am looking for her birthplace so I can search for a baptism.

Thanks,

Peter

[KGarrad]

If you look at the original page of that census, Matthew's status is in fact Brother-in-Law.

Why do you think Matthew Miller is Matthew Hogg?

This Matthew Miller, and his daughter Elizabeth Ann can be found in 1861:
Reference RG09, Piece 3630, Folio 40, Page 14
Market Place, Easingwold

Miller, Matthew  Head  M  42  Grocer & Tea Dealer  b South Otterington
Miller, Ann  Wife  F  48  b Borrowby
Miller, Elizabeth Ann, Daughter  F  14  b Thornton-le-Street
Miller, William Sadler  Son  M  12  Scholar  b Thornton-le-Street
Miller, John Henry  Son  M  8  Scholar  b Easingwold
Miller, Mary Anna  Daughter  F  8  Scholar  b Easingwold


And, in 1841, Matthew is here:
Reference HO107, 1234, 18/4, 6
West Side, Thornton-le-Street

Miller, William  M  60
Miller, Mary  F  60
Miller, Ann  F  24
Miiler, Matthew  M  22
Plews, Jane  F  26
Plews, Charles  M  1
Plews, Emela  F  4 months     All born in Yorkshire



And, can I be a little pedantic? 
This was NOT taken from the 1881 British census, but the Census of England & Wales.
Scotland has it's own census, as does Ireland.

Confusing I know, but I wouldn't want people to be misled!! 

[originQuest]

Wow! Thanks; forget the name 'Hogg'.  A mistake on my part.

Wow, can you find the people in the 1841 in 1851; William and Mary are my ggggg grandparents, so I am making progress.  I would love to see their birth places!  As I say, I think Mary died in 1863 but I am not sure.

And I think Jane Plews is a sister of Matthew.  Thanks!  Another marriage found.

RE The census; please do be pedantic!  These details are important but that info was copied from familsearch!

So now I have to find a baptism for Ann and a marriage; I didn't know Matthew had a sister called Ann, or that his parents were ever in York!  Amazing what can be found out.

Thanks again,

Peter

[KGarrad]

1841 census I appended to my earlier post.

1851 census I found, but no new data!
Reference HO107, 2370, 401, 14
Baxley, Coxwold, Easingwold

Miller, Matthew  Head  M  33  Farm Labourer  b South Otterington
Miller, Ann  Wife  F  38  b Borrowby
Miller, Elizabeth Ann  Daughter  b Thornton-le-Street
Miller, William Sadler  Son  M  2  b Thornton-le-Street

The middle name of Sadler MIGHT be an indication of Ann's maiden name?

I haven't found a marriage for Matthew & Ann yet.

But births for the 2 children:

September qtr 1846
Thirsk district    Vol 24, Page 529
Miller, Elizabeth Ann

March qtr 1949 Thirsk district    Vol 24, Page 575
Miller, Matthew Sadler


September qtr 1852
Easingwold district    Vol 9d, Page 294
Miller, John Henry

September qtr 1852
Easingwold district    Vol 9d, Page 295
Miller, Mary Hannah

[originQuest]

Hi there and thanks again.  We are the same line of though!  Using FreeBMD I found a marriage:

Jun Qrt 1845

Miller    Matthew        Easingwold    24   391   
Sadler    Ann         Easingwold    24   391   

And here seems to be Matthew's sister Ann, married just after the 1841 census and shown in the 1881 census; different spelling though!

Dec Qrt 1841
MILLER    Ann        Thirsk    24   587    
STEVENSON    Henry         Thirsk    24   587    

And a possible death for Matthew Miller ...

Dec Qrt 1891
MILLER    Matthew    71    Ripon    9a   62    

[KGarrad]

And this from 1861:Reference RG09, 3664, 99, 10
Crakehall, Bedale

Stephenson, Henry  Head  M  40  Grocer  b Thornton-le-Street
Stephenson, Ann  Wife  F  40  b Newton, Yorkshire
Miller, Emma J  Niece  F  6  b White House, Yorkshire

[originQuest]

Interesting ... I wonder who are the parents of Emma J Miller ... Matthew and Ann seems like the likely suspects.  Hmmm ...

Can you spot Jane Plews after 1841?

And any sign of William and Mary Miller (the parents) who are shown in 1841?  I would love to see them in later census info.  It is their birth places I want lol.

Sorry for the numerous requests but as ever, one find has led to more questions.  Thanks again!

Peter

[KGarrad]

1851: HO107, 2371, 135, 27
Holly Bush Lane, South Otterington

Miller, Mary  Head  Widow  F  73  Annuitant  b Crakehall


And a possibilty for Jane?

1851: Reference HO107, 2265, 441, 49
84 Oxford Street, Preston, Lancashire

Plews, John  Head  M  34  Watch Repairer  b Thirsk, Yorks
Plews, Jane  Wife  F  35  b Newton
Plews, Charles  Son  M  11  b Thornton
Plews, Jane  Daughter  F  7  Scholar  b Sheffield
Plews, Mary  Daughter  F  6  Scholar  b Sheffield
Plews, Thomas  Son  M  1  b Thirsk

[originQuest]

Thanks; is that 1841 or 1851?

Is Mary on 1861?  And 'annuitant'?  Does that mean she is living off an inheritance?

Same birthplace as where possible daughter Ann is living in 1861.  I am going to be in the library all day tommorrow looking this family up!

Peter