Before 1911 ...

[originQuest]

Hi there,

I am looking for this couple proir to 1911, and trying to confirm a connection between this and earlier census returns (they are missing from numerous census returns):

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I beleive this to be the same William Pattison and Margaret Pattison who married in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire on 23rd October 1871.  William was the son of Thomas Pattison and Bridget Melody, born c 1853 in Bishop Auckland, County Durham.  Margaret was born c. 1856 in West Hartlepool, County Durham, the daughter of William Pattison and Lavinia Swales.  Although I suspect that the couple may be related I have not been able to find a family connection between the father's of the married couple.

In 1881, the couple who were living in Stockton, County Durham with the bride's parents and her family (although the groom is confusingly listed as a son, where he should be listed as son-in-law).

They had a two known daughters; Lavinia, born 1879 in Redcar (census) and Christiana born 1887 in Redcar (baptism).

I suspect Lavinia Pattison is the same Lavinia Pattison who was sent to an industrial school for five years in 1890 for wandering about without proper guidianship.  The 1891 shows her in a school in Leeds.  I think I have later found her in the Middlesbrough workhouse with an illegitimate baby.

Is this clear so far?

Basically, I am looking for the death of William and Margaret, and asertain them in the 1891 and 1901 census as I have currently been unable to find them.  My main aim is to asertain that they are the same couple who married in 1871 (who are definite relations of mine), as the 1911 here jars with their birth years and information a little.

Thanks,

Peter

[PaulineJ]

First step would be for you to verify the accuracy of the transcription. Then see if bmd records can backup names & dates.

Pauline

[mosiefish]

1891

Tutins Yard, Darlington, Durham
William Pattison, Head, Mar, 40, Tinner, Employer, Durham Redworth
Margaret, Wife, Mar, 36, West Hartlepool
George, Son, 10, Scholar, Stockton
Thomas, Son, 8, Scholar, Woodside
David, Son, 6, Yorks Redcar
Christiana, Daur, 4, Yorks Redcar

Regards,
Mo

[originQuest]

Pauline; the trouble with finding BMD dates for some members of this family is that they often are illiterate and record information that is not correct.  Although, actual validation of their key events would be interesting.

Also, Mo, thank you; you seem to have found them in 1891.  Christiana's inclusion is the key here I think.  Not sure why I could not find this, but I suspect with 'brick walls', I often hone on the head of the household when I should broaden my search.  Is there any sign of then them in 1901?

Thank you,

Peter

[heywood]

Not sure at all re this one:

1901 RG13; Piece: 4570; Folio: 22; Page: 35
1 Smith Street Redcar

William Patteson 75 yrs head widower Tinsmith b Barwell Tyneside Northumberland
Lorina daur 21 yrs b Redcar
Thomas son 17 yrs Donkey Driver b Woodside

It does say 75 yrs for William
Lorina - looks as though it could be Lavinia

 

[originQuest]

Wow, thanks heywood!

William Pattison, aged 75 is the father of Margaret Pattison (born 1856 in West Hartlepool).

I wonder if some of Margaret's children were unoffically adopted by their grandfather William Pattison?  FREE BMD shows a death for a William Pattison in the Guisborough District (covers Redcar), aged 74 in Dec. Qrt 1908.

What do you think?

William Pattison senior appears in my tree as his wife Lavinia Swales, is a sister of an ancestor of mine.  Her sister Hannah Swales married my ancestor James Pattison.  William Pattison (according to my tree was born c. 1831 Banwell Tydale, Northumberland).

I have William senior in 1861, 71,81 and 91 and now 1901.  Can you spot him in 1851 and 1841 please?  I am going to see if he is related to my ancestor James Pattison ... all of these marrying cousins.  Maybe I should have three eyes!

Hmmm

[origins]

Possible death for Margaret Pattison

June quarter 1917
Aged 61
Middlesbrough
9d/662

Val

[heywood]

Hi,
I'm getting very confused with the Pat*sons (variations of spellings) so will just post a couple of things to 'help' (perhaps) 

Thomas (married to Bridget) was born Scotland- Glasgow according to
1871 RG10; Piece: 4883; Folio: 104; Page: 38
He is with his brother Isaac -born Edinburgh (same census)

1841 has Isaac and family with a George, 30 yrs and Betty Pattison both born Scotland. Perhaps George is another brother to Thomas.
I can't see William (father of Margaret) who should be about 10 yrs old in 1841 to tie him with these Scottish families.

However, if you were wanting to establish a connection, the marriage certificate of William and Lavinia would show his father's name for further research.

[originQuest]

Thanks Origins, I will email about the death!

And Heywood thank you; I already knew Isaac had a brother Thomas Pattison, shown in 1871 but I never posted this as initially this thread was for a different branch of the family but seems to be taking a new direction.

(Thomas Pattison, b 1827 is the father of William Pattison b. 1853 who married Margaret Pattison ... William and Margaret were the initial inquiry here)

George and Betty!?  Yet more siblings?  Can you see George and Betty in the census after 1841?

Evidently I need to enquire about the Pattison-Swales marriage in Easington Durham.