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Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« on: Friday 24 June 11 20:57 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where this place might be? It is mentioned on the 1861 census as birthplace for an ancestor.

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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 June 11 21:09 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where this place might be? It is mentioned on the 1861 census as birthplace for an ancestor.

If you are relating to the Helen Wells b circa 1801 living in Louth Lincolnshire, then she says she was born in Market Rasen Lincs about 14 miles from Louth ( Google Maps ) not local knowledge!

Or do you need to know where Lincolnshire is?

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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 June 11 22:16 BST (UK) »
Isn't Helen Wells the name of the place?  :-\
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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 June 11 22:39 BST (UK) »
Isn't Helen Wells the name of the place?  :-\

Hi Geoff, OOPS, must learn to put on reading glasses when looking at posts!

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PS I have therefore no idea where it is, maybe the name of the relation and age would help out?
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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 June 11 00:43 BST (UK) »
Scottsearcher,
It's always advisable to look at more than one census when checking out birthplaces.

The 1871 census says John was born Durham Woodhall/Woodhull.
RG10/3536 folio 24 page 9

1881 census says Durham for the county. Interpret the town as you wish. ;D
RG11/3379 folio 84 page 10

Interestingly in both 1861 and 1881 John's wife Charlotte's birthplace is given as Woodhall Lincs.

1891
RG12/2716 folio 67 page 2
John born Durham Sunny Brow (There is a village called Sunnybrow, all one word.)
Charlotte again born Woodhall Lincs.

1901
RG13 piece 3201 folio 69 page 2
John born Durham Sunny Brough

1861 (for info)
RG9/3653 folio 76 page 12
I suspect 'enumerator error' for John's birthplace.


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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 June 11 12:17 BST (UK) »
Hi pamthomas

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

As far as enumerator error is concerned, that's been our opinion for over thirty years now but sometimes you make decisions like that at your peril. Another ancestor quoted her birthplace as Norton, Yorks when her children were born in Norton, Derbyshire (now part of Sheffield) and we disregarded that for five or six years, took her seriously (as we should have done to start with - she signed the marriage register with a confident hand in the 1800s) and found her birth in Norton, Yorks.

You have correctly identified the ancestor in question. We have noted the confusion over Charlotte's birthplace too in the Census returns though have managed to research her roots from the relatively settled past of her ancestors.

The direct line in later Census returns definitely points to County Durham but it seems impossible to find him. An ideal candidate emerges in the registers in 1835 but dies in infancy.

So, back to Helen Wells and searching through the haystack! Idly yesterday we put Helen Wells into the Bing (http://www.bing.com/maps/?cp=~&lvl=15&FORM=MMREDR) search engine. It didn't deliver a precise place but indicated that a search around Coningsby might prove useful - John and Charlotte were married there in 1858. A witness at the wedding lived at Hawthorn Hill nearby. So perhaps what we attributed to the enumerator in 1861, in North Yorkshire, not being able to understand, perhaps, Charlotte's Lincolnshire accent, may not be the truth of the case at all.

If we can get to the bottom of this Helen Wells there may be a bucketful of useful historical treasure!

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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 June 11 15:31 BST (UK) »
A Google search indicates that there is a St.Helen's Wood in/near to Coningsby. Could anyone locate that more precisely please?

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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 June 11 15:40 BST (UK) »
A Google search indicates that there is a St.Helen's Wood in/near to Coningsby. Could anyone locate that more precisely please?

Here http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=524975&Y=359355&A=Y&Z=120

There is also this http://www.lincsheritage.org/community_heritage/local_heritage_groups/index.php#16
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Re: Helen Wells in Lincolnshire?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 June 11 16:27 BST (UK) »
There is also the hamlet Well near Alford Lincs I believe.
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