Looking for Herbert Usher

[johnbarr]

In Jun 1924 Herbert Usher married Fanny Barraclough (nee Sowden b 1869 Bramley) at Manchester Cathedral Manchester   CATH/218/23.

As this was her second marriage, and at age 55, it's quite possible Herbert had been married before, also.

I have details of Fanny, but would appreciate help in finding birth, death and anything else re Herbert.

John  B (in New Zealand)

[warncoort]

Check www.freebmd.org.uk

[avm228]

Hi John B

Fanny's 1935 probate entry shows that Herbert (who was one of her executors) was a decorator.

The most likely candidate for Herbert was born in Manchester abt 1883 (birth registered May qtr 1883, son of a painter/decorator called Joseph Ghent Usher) and may have died in the Oldham area in 1946.  However it's not possible to be sure this is your man with the little information you've given.  There's no obvious sign of an earlier marriage for Herbert (locally at least), but his marriage certificate ought to give his previous marital status as well as his father's name and occupation.

Anna

[johnbarr]

Hello Warncoort and thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately, there are many Herbert Ushers, and without any second name, or idea as to his age, it has not been possible to isolate any person from those listed.

John B

[johnbarr]

Hi Anna,
Thanks for your reply. I hadn't found Fanny's probate, so that is something new.
Yes, based on that, the son of a painter/decorator would seem likely, however he would have been aged 41 marrying a 55yr old widow. Not impossible, but surely a little unusual.

I was hoping that someone might have access to Manchester Cathedral records to show more details from their marriage.

John B

[Pendlewitch67]

Hi John

As mentioned previously in 1901:

Joseph Ghent born c 1852 Manchester House Decorator
Emily nee Cain born c 1859 Manchester


Herbert born c 1883 Manchester (Saint George district) House Decorator
Wilfred Lawson born c 1885 Manchester Plumber
Percy born c 1887 Manchester
Emily born c 1889 Manchester

Sorry I don't have the address.

I would probably agree that Herbert was married only the once.


1901

James Lawson Usher born c 1860 Manchester fish Hawker
Mary J born c 1860 Manchester

Richard William born c 1882 Manchester Machine Packer Cotton
Herbert born c 1884 Manchester Apprentice to Moulder
Sarah E born c 1886 Manchester Apprentice to underclothing
Lilian born c 1887 Manchester Errand girl port
John born c 1889 Manchester Juvenile
Harry born c 1891 Manchester
Clarence born c 1892 Manchester
Norman Lawson born c 1895 Manchester
Nora born c 1897 Manchester
James born c 1899 Manchester

1881

Richard USHER      Head      W      Male      58      Handley, Stafford, England      Furniture Broker      
 
Joseph G. USHER      Son      U      Male      29      Manch, Lancashire, England      House Painter      

Henry USHER      Son      U      Male      27      Manch, Lancashire, England      Brush Maker      

James USHER      Son      U      Male      22      Manch, Lancashire, England      Fish Porter      

Albert USHER      Son      U      Male      19      Manch, Lancashire, England      Fish Salesman      

Annie USHER       Other             Female      5      Manch, Lancashire, England

2 St Oswalds Grove,  Manchester   

(Annie Usher marr Thomas Burns 1900 Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended)

Richard Usher born 1849 Manchester died 1879 poss son of above

Richard Usher marr Rachel Cain 1874 Rachel dec 1894 age 42

1881 Rachel - 1 Woodward Street, Manchester

Annie above daughter of Richard and Rachel?
   

   

Richard Usher marr Ellen Lawson Dec qtr 1846 Manchester

  (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;msg=3947636;topic=540831.0;sesc=19dbcc2fb9b99d9375e541356d6a316d)

Ellen Usher dec 1965 Market Street dist of Manchester age 43



Have you tried the 1911 census:

http://www.1911census.co.uk/


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Kindest regards

Amanda

[johnbarr]

Hi Amanda,

Many Thanks for all your good work and suggestions.

I feel the only way we can make any progress on this with any certainty is to check the church records, or buy Marriage Cert (which I was hoping to avoid).

Can anyone advise if it is possible to check the church register?

lancashirebmd.org.uk show the following
BARRACLOUGH *   Fanny   USHER   Herbert   Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church)   Manchester   CATH/218/23

John B

[Harefield]

Hi John,
Maybe I can fill in a bit more, the Ushers are my mothers side of the family. James Lawson Usher and Joseph Ghent Usher brothers, both had sons named Herbert and born in 1883.  The Joseph Ghent's son married Fanny Barraclough 19th April 1924, she was a widow, fathers name on certificate shown as Amos Sowden deceased (1907), occupation an furnaceman, Herbert is shown as a Bachelor so no previous marraiage.  Fanny was born in Farnley, Yorkshire where she married Jonas Barraclough on the 6th April 1889. Still researching my family tree so gaps still to be filled.

Pete C

[heatherjulie]

Hi
Welcome to rootschat!

Does the marriage certificate give Herbert's occupation?

Heather