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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 30 June 11 17:26 BST (UK) »
1851
HO107 Piece 1534 Folio 98 Page 32
4 Edward Street, Shoreditch
William Tilley 42 bn Newport, Bucks Gas Fitter
Mary Tilley 52 bn ?, Northamptonshire
Thomas Tilley 19 bn Shoreditch Gas fitter
William Tilley 17 bn Shoreditch Gas fitter
John Tilley 11 bn Shoreditch
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 30 June 11 17:33 BST (UK) »
Baptism: John Cooper Tilley at Shoreditch St Leonard on 16 July 1841, age 18 mths, son of William Henry and Mary, of Edwards St, gas fitter
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
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            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 June 11 18:03 BST (UK) »
Strange, but in 1841 William and Mary both at Edward Street, Shoreditch (both born Middlesex) but no sign of baby John.  ???
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 June 11 18:13 BST (UK) »
Do you have a copy of the marriage of William Henry Tilley to Mary Cooper in 1839 - if so what details does it have for his father and who are the witnesses

I think this is the death you refer to for Thomas,
Deaths September qtr 1858 
Tilley  Thomas     Hackney  1b 186

you would need the certificate to confirm he is yours.  I think you mean Dalston, Middlesex and not Dalston, Cumberland  :-\ 
 
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 July 11 07:04 BST (UK) »


Hi

William Tilley   born 9 Jan 1809
                      bapt 11 Jan 1809 newport Pagnell
                      father Thomas  mother Elizabeth.
extracted record.

 cannot see where they are though on a census.

 Tazzie

 
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Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 July 11 07:21 BST (UK) »


  Hi ...

  Rosie ..... what  are the HO numbers for the 1841 census please so I can scan through nearby pages.
  Only I have a family split over 3 pages where they have not been scanned in order and it places the youngest child with another family and the transcriber just copied the name .

 thanks     Tazzie
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Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #15 on: Friday 01 July 11 14:01 BST (UK) »


  Hi ...

  Rosie ..... what  are the HO numbers for the 1841 census please so I can scan through nearby pages.
  Only I have a family split over 3 pages where they have not been scanned in order and it places the youngest child with another family and the transcriber just copied the name .

 thanks     Tazzie


HO107  Piece 709  2/33 page 21   :)  It is William and Mary by then though Tazzie as he is on his 2nd marriage

Don't know how I missed that IGI christening  ::)   ;D

Rosie
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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #16 on: Friday 01 July 11 14:59 BST (UK) »
I can't account for the absence of baby John's name in 1841, as he was born the year before. I suppose it is possible that he may not have been in the house on the day the census was taken...maybe he was in hospital..who knows? In 1866 he married Elizabeth Yorke.
 I do not have a copy of the marriage certificate of W. H. and Mary Cooper, but Ancestry has details, and source information, so I have no reason not to believe that Thomas Tilley was not his father, also that his mother- I now believe- was Elizabeth Austin, and not Brey.
It is Ancestry which states that Thomas died in Dalston, Cumberland, but it must be Dalston Middlesex.
I have discovered in my searches that the London Tilleys moved around a lot, as I have several different addresses for them over the years, which could explain why some of them don't seem to exist where I expect them to be.
  You are right about my more recent family, and yes, my father did die in Taunton in 1988...I was there at the time. 
 I am sure you are right about the two Elizabeths being mixed up (like me!) and the Leicester connection must be forgotten by me, so I have thrown away a fair amount of paperwork concerning it.
 The Tilley saga is continuing, and there is more investigating to do as I want to go back as far as I can. Thank you all for your interest and help, which is really appreciated.

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Re: Thomas Tilley
« Reply #17 on: Friday 01 July 11 15:25 BST (UK) »
I can't account for the absence of baby John's name in 1841, as he was born the year before. I suppose it is possible that he may not have been in the house on the day the census was taken...maybe he was in hospital..who knows? In 1866 he married Elizabeth Yorke.
I do not have a copy of the marriage certificate of W. H. and Mary Cooper, but Ancestry has details, and source information, so I have no reason not to believe that Thomas Tilley was not his father, also that his mother- I now believe- was Elizabeth Austin, and not Brey.
It is Ancestry which states that Thomas died in Dalston, Cumberland, but it must be Dalston Middlesex.


You say John married Elizabeth Yorke in 1866 but freebmd has this so it is probably Eliza James
Marriages Sept qtr 1863   Hackney  1b 597   
Cartwright  Richard       
Hall  Catherine         
JAMES  Eliza         
Tilley  John Cooper   

I only asked about the marriage for William to confirm we should be looking for his father as Thomas, Tazzie has now however found the baptism that we were after. The Ancestry info on Thomas's death is on someones tree and not extracted info so always to be treated with suspicion, they obviously clicked the wrong place box when submitting it.

So back to looking for Thomas father of William H, do you have him on census anywhere if so where?

Rosie
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