Barnes/Owens/Davies MARY

[garethgriffiths]

Hi
I am said to have a relative named Nana Barnes who is buried in Battle or Hastings, she may be Mary Davies who married John Richard Owens (Liverpool circa 1909 or earlier) who was said to have been killed at Halifax explosion in 1917 Nova Scotia.  I cant find them on passenger lists for some reason.

It is said that on his death Mary came back to Liverpool with my grandmother Margaret Catherine Owens (b.1909 Liverpool) who married Alfred Lawrence Kemp in Liverpool.

My uncle recollects going to her grave in Battle or Hastings and I assume that Mary Owens then married a Mr. Barnes.

Can anyone suggest or find this person or her grave please?
Or suggest options or possible people?
I assume they may have had children too.
Maybe Llandudno or Liverpool are mentioned on any headstone?
regards Gareth

[lizdb]

Without more information I doubt anyone will be able to find anything .
As for a grave, without knowing which cemetery and when she died, and not even a definite name, and even IF there is a headstone, it would be impossible!

What relation is she supposed to be to you? A more reliable way of finding info will be to work methodically from what you know (even if that is about yourself) step by step going back, confirming each step as you go.
You mention your grandmother - what relation is she supposed to be to her? Was she a witness at grandmothers marrige in Liverpool?

[garethgriffiths]

Thanks for your reposnse

Mary is my great grandmother, on the maternal line.
What I have said is probably all that we know, after 35 yrs of doing family history Im stuck on this line but some photos and documents have come into my possession from which I am trying to put pieces together.

Starfield photographer 37a Renshaw St Liverpool took what I think to be the photo of them and Ive dated that from GENUKI info 1908/9 to 1929, if the photo dates early its her first husband if it dates later then maybe its a second husband so I am guessing she remarried.  There are options on free bmd.

As for witnesses to my grandmothers marriage in 1931 they are Reginald Stanley Widdowson (best man?) and Alice G Williams (bridesmaid?) who I have never heard of.
Gareth

[garethgriffiths]

Maybe someone has a database of Battle or Hastings cemeteries or crematorium that would be a useful search?

Mary Davies had my grandmother in the Liverpool Brownlow St (hospital/workhouse) in 1909 and then went home to Limekiln Lane I suppose.

I have posted other details on this site but now need to explore the Battle and Hastings story.

Does a database exist? or perhaps someone could try the National Burial index for me please?
Gareth

[lizdb]

That is clearer now - this lady is mother to Margaret Owens and your direct ancestor.

So on Margaret's birth cert, is the mother clearly Mary Owens nee Davies
And the father John Richard Owens?
Have you found their marriage?

Do you have a year of birth for MAry Owens nee Davies?
so we can look for a death for her.

[garethgriffiths]

Details of my grandmothers birth cert follow, they are from an original 4th Jan 1915 certificate issued for the purposes of secondary education.

Birth 23 July 1909, Margaret Catherine, girl,
Fathers name John Richard Owens,
Mother name Mary Owens formerly Davies 49 Limekiln Lane,
Fathers profession Electric light installer,
Residence of informant shows M. Owens mother, 144a Brownlow Hill
Registered 29 July 1909

The back of this same certificate -
Schedule - The Factory & Workshop Act 1901

Name of child Margaret Catherine Owens
Father John R
Mother Mary
Born L'pool
Year born 1909
This certificate is required for the following purpose, namely:- School.

I have never been able to find their marriage certificate without perhaps buying several.

[garethgriffiths]

My maternal granparents marriage certificate dated 26 Sept 1931 at St Catherine's, Liverpool shows her residence as 46 Oxford St and her father as Thomas Richard Owens whose profession is an Electrician.

Whilst my grandfather Alfred Lawrence Kemp father's name Robert Henry Kemp's occupation shows Labourer deceased, I note that it does not say deceased after Electrician.  This implies that Thomas Richard Owens he is still alive in 1931.

You see there is a difference in her fathers name as John Richard and Thomas Richard OWENS.  As the birth cert copy is 1915 I am more inclined to favour the name of John than Thomas.
Gareth

[lizdb]

Have you got the family in 1911 census? (with maRGARET AGE 2ISH)

That will at least give you an age and birthplace for Mary, which might help find her death (well the age might)

[garethgriffiths]

Hi
I have tried searching for a Margaret Owens aged about 2 with a mother Mary in the Limekiln Lane area around Eldon St. and havent found her yet as there are lots in the Liverpool area that meet this critieria, unless someone else looks too.

I do have a bible dated 1917 that says it is a gift from Auntie Maggie of 3 Hyde St Liverpool to Margaret on her 8th birthday but a search of that address in 1911 doesnt do it for me either.  Could she be the Maggie Davies at Eldon St in 1911 census?

Looking at the 1901 census at 2 Cross Eldon St (off Limekiln Lane) gives a Mary A Davies; in 1901 no.49 Limekiln Lane is a vacant property.

I have focussed on 184 Vauxhall Road which runs parrallel with Limekiln Lane in an earlier census and found some Davies and Owens at same address but if I map these forward it doesnt bring the right result.

I have gone further back on an Edward Davies in the 1851 Census as he was a tax inspector and I can recollect someone was a tax inspector in family stories.  He comes from Holywell and that is also mentioned so was Oswestry and someplace near Wrexham.

I feel close but have not made the links.