Lookup BORLEY birth Westerham

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In my research into the BORLEY family I have been pointed to the 1861 census with

Sarah BORLEY, b.1857 Westerham aged 4 is living with father John and mother Sarah

I have looked on BMD for birth records but nothing as yet.

The Sarah BORLEY I am researching has later life events (placed in King's Lynn 1870s then Newcastle Upon Tyne 1890s) which seem to suggest a DOB as early as 1855.

Could anyone who knows the area point to any likely BMD entries, indexed records
and/or
Would someone be able to take a look in the parish records - presumably St.Mary's - to see if there is a baptism entry.  The name seems to vary between Borley, Burley, Birley etc.

Thanks

[AMBLY]

Hi

I'm not convinced the name is written as BORLEY on that 1861 Census - I think it might be BOTLEY, looking how the enumerator has written the 't' in Robert (though is some other cases he does write the 't'with it's crossbar).

An Aaron BOTLEY birth was registered Dec Qtr 1860 - which appears to be a match for the baby in that household. There are a few other BOTLEY registrations in the Sevenoaks district, including two 'female' BOTLEYs in 1853 and 1854.

Add to that:
John & Sarah are transcribed as BOTLEY in 1871, 1881,  1891  & 1901 still in the same place, ie: Cockham Hill, Westerham. No daughter Sarah is with them after 1861. There is an 1841 Census for what appears to be the same John  as BOTLEY.
There is a marriage record for John BOTLEY age 22 to Sarah BATEMAN age 22 in Westerham, 18 Oct 1851.

The Sarah BORLEY that you have in the later years - did she marry?

Cheers
AMBLY

[grandarog]

Hi SB,

              There is a Birth. FBMD

        Botley, Female   :-   Mar 1857 Sevenoaks 2a 368

Probable Sarah, as Westerham was in Sevenoaks District.
                                   
                                        Good Luck , Roger    

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Thanks

I have tried to trace Sarah BOTLEY through the 1861/71/81 census and seem to have accounted for her.  Following her appearance in 1861 as Borley/BOTLEY (F John M Sarah) she appears as a servant Sarah BOLLEY next door to her parents in 1871 and then as servant Sarah BOTLEY in Croydon by 1891.

I think this rules Sarah BOTLEY b.1857 out as my Sarah BORLEY who becomes a mother in Kings Lynn 1871.


This family line has proved troublesome!! to trace and Sarah has inconsistent ages in the census where she does appear (1901 & 1911) and no-shows for Sarah/Robert in other key census years (1871/81/91) despite having birth events ('71) and marriage events ('91) coincident with these.


When Sarah BORLEY gives birth to Sophia BORLEY in South Lynn1871 she fails to appear three months earlier on the 1871 census.   The Birth Certificate offers no name for the father.  At Sophia's baptism (1890, aged 18) and wedding (1891) in Newcastle her father is stated as 'Robert' (deceased).

There is a wedding of Sarah BORLEY and Robert STACEY in 1872 in Kings Lynn for which I intend to obtain the certificate to give names/residence/occupations and to see if this is possibly my Sarah & Robert.

If anyone has followed this!! and has any comment/guidance it would be most welcome.

Thanks for all suggestions thus far.

[AMBLY]

Hi

Some questions, rather than answers sorry  ,  perhaps we can go over what you have as an 'extra set' of eyes!

Sophia BORLEY
Birth Sep Qtr 1871 Kings Lynn

What was the address of her 1871 birth - and was her mother Sarah  the informant of the same address?

What was Sophia's 1890 baptism address & occupation (of the father) given as?

Who did Sophia marry in 1891 (McCLEN? or ALLAN?), and what was her address at the time?  Have the marriage witness' been identified for possible clues?

What are Sarah's Census details (and that of her household) for  1901 & 1911?


Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi

She married Patrick ALLAN, I think?
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/MarriageSearch

If this is her in 1901:
32 Robinson?? St,  Newcastle-on-Tyne, Byker, Northumberland
RG13 / Piece: 4789 / Folio: 100 / Page: 8
Head: Patrick ALLAN 32, Finisher? Furnaceman?, b Wallsend, Northumberland
Wife: Sophia 27, b Newcastle on Tyne
Dau: Mary 9
Son: Daniel 5
Dau: Sarah 5
Dau: Margaret 1 month
Visitor: Annie GOULD 57, widow, b Sth Shields, Durham
(* I can't work out the occupation of Patrick)

Then I'm betting this is her in 1891:
109 Conyers Road, Byker, Newcastle-on-Tyne, Northumberland
RG12 / Piece: 4215 / Folio 136 / Page 40
Head: James ALLEN 21, Rivetter, b Wallsend Northumberland
Wife: Sophia ALLEN 19, b Kings Lynn, Norfolk
Son: Peter ALLEN 1, b Newcastle on Tyne

Despite the Head of the 1891 House being named as James, I think that's them.
I'm wondering if the son is actually James, and the head of the house is Peter......Peter & Patrick were interchangable particulary with Irish background and Scottish families.....

Cheers
AMBLY

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I did come across this entry though haven't managed to eliminate or confirm anything yet ............

1881 15&17 Byker Hill, Byker, Northumberland

Henry BELL head mar 31 lab b.Newcastle
Sarah wife 24 b.Suffolk
William son 14 b.Newcastle
Sophia dau 9 b.Norfolk

RG11/5067 folio 153 page 22
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Casalguidi

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Answers to your Questions:

Q What was the address of her 1871 birth - and was her mother Sarah  the informant of the same address?[/color]

A Sarah was informant, both addresses given as Providence St, South Lynn

Q What was Sophia's 1890 baptism address & occupation (of the father) given as?
A  Baptism only from FamilySearch so far - these details not provided


Q Who did Sophia marry in 1891 (McCLEN? or ALLAN?), and what was her address at the time?  Have the marriage witness' been identified for possible clues?
A  Sophia married Patrick ALLAN - the witnesses were William Brown and Sarah Brown - amended on the form from Borley!  It seems Sarah was 'married' to WB in 1901 & 1911 though no BMD confirms this - suspect they were unmarried partners which at least lasted from 1891-1911+

Q What are Sarah's Census details (and that of her household) for  1901 & 1911?

A You have the correct details fo Patrick & Sophia's family - I've photoedited and compared the scripted occupation and pretty sure it reads 'Finisher' - he was always recorded as Caulker/Rivetter previously

Census Records for Sarah:

1901
26 Church St. Walker, Newcastle
Head: William Brown, 36, Shipyard Labourer, b.  Newcastle
Wife: Sarah Brown, 36,  b. Essex
Adopted Son: Peter Allan, 11, b Newcastle


1911
Lock-Up Shop, 26 Church St. Walker, Newcastle
Head: William Brown, 44, Sailor, b. Newcastle
Wife:  Sarah Brown, 44, Housekeeper b.  Kent, Tunbridge Wells
Grandchild:  Peter Allan, 21, Arrchitect's Clerk b.  Newcastle
Grandchild:  Sarah Allan, 14, Domestic  b Newcastle

There are no marriage details given on the original transcript.

Well you did ask!!
Sarah seems to be creative with her age but going from Sophia's MC (where is 19), assuming Sarah Brown gave birth at 16 she would be 35 when she was with William Brown as witness, 45 in 1901 and 55 in 1911.  I have taken her DOB as 1856 on this assumption.

So just where is Sarah BORLEY b. 1856  Tunbridge Wells, Kent?  or maybe Essex is the birth location

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What about this one to add to the mix

1891 - 12 Victoria Street, Gateshead

William BROWN head mar 24 gen lab b.Newcastle
Sarah wife 26 b.Kings Lynn Norfolk

RG12/4180 folio 51 page 49

Casalguidi