Henry Williams 1861 & 1871 census - Crynant.

[Bathonian]

I'm trying to trace Henry and Mary Williams census returns for 1861 and 1871. I have them in 1851 living in Tyrlan, Crynant, Cadoxton - juxta - Neath, and again in 1881. Henry was born in Oystermouth in about 1820, and was a mason/farmer. Mary (nee Hopkins) was born about 1821 in Crynant. I've tried in Ancestry but I've been unable to trace them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Ken

[keyboard86]

Hi not certain if your Henry, but in 1871 there is a Henry Williams 50 b Oystermouth shown as Widower occ Labourer, he is a Lodger in James Street, Swansea.
Census Ref RG10/1255/79/16


Just seen you have them both in 1881, what is census ref as cannot readily locate?

Keyboard86

[Woody32]

There is an Henry Williams on the welsh 1861..b 1821 Oystermouth

RG9 Piece 4108 Folio 31

[wozzle]

on the 1851 census he is down as born swansea aged 36 so born c 1815
here is the source citation in case anyone wants to refer to it to help find them in 1861,1871
HO107/2464/511/4

[wozzle]

1861
RG9/4093/36/7
henry williams age 50. b. swansea. occ. stone mason. head
mary age 45. b. mantyfedwer,brecon. wife
phillip age 21. b. cadoxtan juxta neath. occ. stone mason. son
elizabeth age 19. b. ditto. occ. house servant. daughter
henry age 17. b. ditto. occ. agr.lab. son
rees age 15. b. ditto. occ. ----?labourer. son
ann age 12. b. ditto. daughter
john age 7. b.ditto. son
morgan age 1. b. ditto. son
gwenllian morgan age 20. b. ditto. occ. dress maker. visitor
living at;tir lan,cadoxton juxta neath,glamorgan
this is the same family who are transcribed as living at tyrlan in 1851

[wozzle]

1871
RG10/5439/5/3
henry williams age 62. b. swansea. occ. mason. head
mary age 55. b. brecknockshire. wife
rees age 24. b. cadoxton. son
john age 16. b. ditto. son
morgan age 11. b. ditto. son
william williams age 16. b. brecknockshire. boarder
living at;tyr lan farm,cadoxton,glamorgan

[keyboard86]

Hi Ken, are you certain of the year/place of birth/job spec of Henry, as the Henry followed through by Wozzle is shown as b c 1811 on the 1841? Census Ref HO107/1421/ 8/7/ 6.

There is a Henry b c 1821 Oystermouth that appears on the 1841 census with a Mary in Oystermouth Census Ref HO107/1424/ 23/32/ 3 and is the same one as Woody32 found in 1861 and my 1871?

Keyboard86

[Bathonian]

Thanks Wozzle, Woody32, and Keyboard86,
Between you, I believe we've got the correct families. In 1851 (HO 107/2464) Henry was down as aged 36, born in Swansea, and living at Tyrlan, with wife Mary and 5 children. She was formerly Mary Hopkin(s), and it's her mother, Elizabeth, living on the next farm, Ynisderw. On the following census's I,m surprised that she gave her place of birth as Brecknock, as she was born in Crynant. But at least you've managed to find them for me on the subsequent census returns, so many thanks.

Ken