Hi BallyG The kane family you mentioned from miltown row is not my gr,gran father. My gr,gran father and gr,gran mother lived @ Montrose street (pottinger) on the 1911 census it was a mixed marriage and they lived with my gr,gran fathers mother Margaret. By the time my gran father was born on the 19 nov 1911 they had moved to 16 Garnet street in the falls. Its after this that things become confused, by jul-sep 1913 my gr gran father has died in the Union Hosp Belfast. And inbetween 1912 and when my gr,gran father died they had an other son James (who died 2001). After my gr,gran mother died in 1916 i was hoping that the name as head of house hold would have changed and given me some idea of who was looking after my gran father and his brothers as they where very young. I was told that they where taken in to care by the sally army because they had an aunt who work with them and all this is surpose to have happened by 1913 when both of my gr,gran parents where dead. As i now know only my gr,gran father was dead by 1913. I got in contact with the sally army and they said that thier records for belfast in the early part of the 1900s was lost when the four courts in dublin was burn. So thats where iam now so ill keep digging around.. thanks for your reply jim