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Samuel Lidget Vallance
« on: Saturday 23 July 11 14:39 BST (UK) »
Hi,  Need some helplooking for the above man, b. 1860 in Ordsall, Notts, m. Ellen Tetts in 1883 in Bishops waltham. Shown on 1891 census as estate Carpender, living wih wife, no signs of him after that date, she is shown on 1901 census as a widow, however no death can be found, any help or advice gladly accepted.
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Colin
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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 July 11 16:10 BST (UK) »
Colin,

Such a name, must be quite rare, so having looked in the Hampshire Advertiser from Gale Databases available from any local library with a library ticket I have come up with two instances when he made the local newspaper which give other clues as to his occupation and his domestic situation which you may or not be in knowledge.


The Hampshire Advertiser, Saturday, November 22, 1884;.

BISHOP’S WALTHAM

THE PUBLIC HEALTH ACT

Samuel Lidgett Vallance, of the railway Inn, Bishop’s Waltham, was summoned, at the instance of Droxford Rural Sanitary Authority, for having at Bishop’s Waltham, on the 11th October last, then being in charge of a person named Maria Jones, suffering from an infectious disorder, namely scarlet fever, wilfully exposed such person in a public conveyance without taking proper precautions spreading the disease. Mr. F. Clark appeared in support of the prosecution, and having open the case called Richard North, a fly-driver at the Crown, Bishop’s Waltham who said that on the day in question defendant engaged him to drive his servant, named Jones, to her home at Owslebury, as she was not very well, and he did so, the defendant accompanying him. Mr. Henry Greaves, surgeon, stated that on the 11th October, he was attending three of Vallance’s children who were then suffering from scarlet fever. He saw the girl Jones, and found her suffering from a sore throat and headache, symptoms premonitory of scarlet fever, but not actually from the fever, and he advised that she should be sent home. He did not think she would convey contagion.
Dr. Earle, the medical officer of health, in reply to a question stated that when a sore throat had developed the disease was in full progress. Dr. Roberts, of Twyford said he attended the girl at home on the 14th October, and he then found her suffering from scarlet fever, and in his opinion she would have been infectious on the 11th October. Cross-examined by defendant: Could not say whether he told the girl’s mother that the case was a very slight touch, and that if she had not come from a house where there was a fever he wouldn’t have known it to be scarlet fever. He might have said so.
Vallance, in defence, said he was not at all aware at the time he sent the girl away she was suffering from scarlet fever. He did it under Dr. Greave’s advice, as she was not very well, and it was thought best to get her home, as some of his children then had the fever, and he was quite sure the girl had not been in contact with them. He called Mrs. Jones, the girl’s mother, who stated that when Dr. Roberts attended her daughter the first time he told her that if the girl had not come home from an infected house he would scarcely have know it to be scarlatina.  The bench, after a few minutes consideration dismissed the case. The Chairman saying it seemed Vallance, in causing the girl to be moved, was only acting under Dr. Greaves’ advice, and that he did not wilfully cause her to be moved knowing she was suffering from scarlet fever, but he must warn the defendant to very cautious in future in moving persons from his house. He also thought the Sanitary Authority were quite right in bringing the case forward as it would let the public generally know that they musty not use public conveyances of any sort to remove persons suffering from infectious disorders unless they notify the fact to the person in charge, and also that it was against the law to expose any person who was suffering from an infectious disorder.


So Samuel Vallance in 1884 was living at the Railway Inn at Bishop's Waltham. I could not find it in BW today-a website says there was a railway from BW to Botley, but the railway station in Bishops Waltham closed to passenger traffic in 1932. It closed completely in 1962 and it was demolished in 1965.

It was at this Railway Inn that Samuel operated as a licensed Victualler, but this business did not last:


The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Wednesday, September 17, 1890; pg. [1]; Issue 4619. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

THE BANKRUPTCY ACT, 1883

IN BANKRUPTCY
Re SAMUEL LIDDGET VALLANCE, lately residing at the Railway Inn, Bishop’s Waltham, subsequently at Durley, and then at Ashton, and now at Water-lane Cottages, Vernon Hill, Bishop’s Waltham aforesaid, all in the county of Hants, and lately carrying on business at the two first-named addresses as a Licensed Victualler and fish dealer respectively, and now a labourer.
Southampton, No. 16 of 1890.
Receiving Order made 13th September 1890.
Date of Order for Summary Administration 16th September 1890.
Date of Adjudication 13th September 1890.
Date and place of first meeting-30th September, 1890 at 11 o’ clock am at the Official Receiver’s Offices, 4, East Street, Southampton.
Date of Public Examination-30th September, 1890 at trhe Courthouse, Castle-square, Southampton at 12 o’clock noon.
John Cornelius Moberly, Official Receiver dated 16th September 1890.

Those public examination must have been dreadful affairs; washing your dirty linen in public-not much fun!

Tom

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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 July 11 17:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Tom,

Wow! thats amazing information, something to add to anyones Family History, so many thanks, however, after the bankrupcy he appears to vanish. Looked at several sites with no luck.

Again thanks for your valued help.

Colin
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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 July 11 18:58 BST (UK) »
There is a Samuel Vallance age 40 on the 1900 Kansas City, Missouri census born April, 1860 England.  Number of years in the States 7 (1893). Occupation is a Porter Saloon.  He states Widower number of years married 2 (perhaps he married again in the States :-\ )  I just can`t find him again after this.  Neither can I find how he got there.

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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 July 11 19:41 BST (UK) »
I notice that in March 1914, in Aston RD, Christopher L Vallance married someone called Reece-do you have that certificate-it may give details of his father?

That info from Missouri looks interesting, not dead, just missing!

Tom

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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 July 11 20:56 BST (UK) »
Cheers Mo and Tom, will have to start looking in the States, I cannot find how he got to the USA either.

Many thanks

Colin
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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 July 11 22:17 BST (UK) »
I wonder if you have discounted  Samuel Vallance who died in Newton Abbot Devon in 1948(3)  aged 88.   ref. 7a  403.

Ellen his wife might have lied about being a widow in 1901 !


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Re: Samuel Lidget Vallance
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 July 11 23:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks, learnt searching never to discount anything, will give it a shot

Thanks

Colin
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