John Smith!!!!!!

[iluleah]

Anyone up for a challenge re: John Smith

This line is very neglected in my tree ..... wonder why?.... but not only because of the name, but because I was convinced they were not my ancestors, however records say different, so with all the circumstancial evidence in the world it doesn't change record 'facts' , any information I have is many years old.

So here goes............

John Smith I 'think' was born in 1799 Whitwell Rutland

I think his wife was called Gosford Elizabeth ? and they are likely to have married bf 1823

[suzard]

Is this the family?
1851
Whitwell Rutland
John Smith head M 52 Cattle dealer langham Rutland
Gosford E wife Cherry orton Hants?
Charles son U 28 Drover
John son 23 U Drover
George son 22U ag lab
Frederick son 19 U ag lab
martha daughter 16 at home
Jeremiah son 13

children all b Whitwell
HO107 2092 170 1

Suz

[suzard]

looks like Gosford was going by the name Elizabeth in 1841 -and John was not at home???

1841
Whitwell Rutland
Elizabeth smith 40 seamstress no
Elizabeth junr 16 yes
John 13 yes
George 12 yes
Frederick 10 yes
Martha 6 yes
Jeremiah 3 yes
HO107 894 13 4 1

Suz

[iluleah]

Hi Suz

Thanks.....It certainly looks like the right family.....however Edward Smith their son seems to be missing on both census, he would have been born between Charles and John ( Junr)

[suzard]

wonder if this is Edward?

He was a shepherd in 1861

1841
Martinsthorpe Rutland
William Smith 35 ag lab
Ruth 42
Sarah Ann 9
William 7
Mary 5
 Catherine 4
Elizabeth 6 mths
living in same dwelling but spearately to family Edward Smith 13 ag lab

all b Rutland
HO107 896 2 Page 12

1851
Horne House
Horne
Rutland
Edward Smith servant S 21 Shepherd Whitwell Rutland
one of 5 servantsin household of Matthew Sharman (farmer of 377 acres) and family

HO107 2092 138 8

Suz

[iluleah]

Hi Suz

That makes sense and Horne is next to Exton where his wife lived and they married in 1860... I wonder if William in the 1841 is his Uncle

You are a gem and hopefully it will kick start me finding out some more...when I looked at this Smith family line before it just didn't seem to feel like it was my family at all...

[suzard]

Hi Suz

.. I wonder if William in the 1841 is his Uncle

Could be -he was b Whitwell

This seems to be them in 1851
Manton Rutland
William Smith Head M 47 Shephard Whitwell Rutland
Ruth wife 53 Barrowden Rutland
Sarah A daughter 19 Martinsthorpe Rutland
William son 17           ditto
Katherine daughter 14 general servant Martinsthorpe
Elizabeth daughter 10 scholar martinsthorpe
Harriet Bryan visitor 6 scholar Oakham Rutland
HO107 2092 1976

Suz

[iluleah]

Thank you for that Suz  there are so many Smith's in and around that area, now I have to find some proof that there is a connection and how they are related.............

Now one thing I have discovered is Gosford Elizabeth is really Elizabeth Gosford born and baptised in Cherry Orton, Huntingdon, married John Smith in  Orton Waterville, Huntingdon and I have also discovered her siblings and parents...all thanks to your help with the 1851 census information showing her birth place...it still amazes me that one tiny piece of the puzzle can often provide so much information...so thank you