Edward Mostyn THELWELL born 1844

[Gen List Lass]

Edward Mostyn THELWELL married Sarah Fenwick nee Hilton in the Sept Q. of 1873 at Ormskirk, Lancashire, England.

Sarah was a widow, late husband Henry a lawyer. She was born in Montego Bay Jamaica in 1829, possibly making her 14 year older than her Thelwell groom....

All I can find about Edward is his birth June Q. 1844 in Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales. Cannot find him on any census between 1851-1901 when Sarah declares herself a widow.

Cannot find a firm death for him between his marriage in 1873-1901.

Cannot find either of them on the 1891 census.

I have found several references in newspapers about an Edward Thelwell being called to the Bar and tutoring youngsters in Kensington but without a middle name I don't know if this is the correct person. Sarah's first husband was also a lawyer so possibly a link there.

Any information about this elusive man would be very welcome

Gen in NBL England

[KGarrad]

1851 census:
Reference HO107, Piece 2503, Folio 547, Page 25
Priory, Wrexham

Thelwell, Bevis Heywood  Head  M  30  Solicitor & Coroner  b Ruthin, Denbighshire
Thelwell, Sophia Rebeca  Wife  F  26  b Shropshire
Thelwell, Edward Mostyn  Son  M  6  Scholar  b Wrexham
Thelwell, Arthur Bevis  Son  2  Scholar  b Wrexham
Jones, Elizabeth  Servant  F  23  Dress Maker  b Wrexham
Samuel, Elizabeth  Servant  F  17  House Servant  b Wrexham
Hopley, Sarah  Servant  F  16  House Servant  b Stockton, Cheshire
Owen, Rupul Mostyn  Brother-in-Law  M  18  Sailor  b Shropshire

[Gadget]

Hi

This is strange as he seems to appear  on the 1871  listed in Portland RG10/2006/75/15

Male Convict Establishment, Portland

Edward Mostyn Thelwall, convict,  26, single, Clerk in Post Office, b. Marylebone

It's such an unusual name and correct age.


gnu

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Perhaps a copy of his marriage certificate would be useful.


Nanny Jan

[KGarrad]

Father with more sons in 1871:
Reference RG10, 5651, 90, 9
Alyn View, Burton, Denbighshire

Thelwall, Bevis H  Head  Widower  M  50  County Coroner  b Llanfair
Thelwall, Llewellyn  Son  M  16  Scholar  b Rossett, Denbighshire
Thelwall, John B  Son  M  13  Scholar  b Rossett, Denbighshire

EDIT - Originally thought I was lookin at 1861 

[Gadget]

Criminal Registers 1866

Edward Mostyn Thelwall

Trial - 19 July 1866 Cumberland

larceny of money out of a post letter - imprisoned penal servitude for 5 years


gnu

[maidmarion]

Lots of write ups in the papers about the crime and trial.

He pleaded not guilty to the theft of the £5 from a registered letter posted in Edinburgh and which was addressed to Mrs Creer, New Brighton, Birkenhead.

[Gadget]

An interesting character, mm 

He's  Edward Mostyn Thelwall on the  marriage index. I think that I'd get the cert to check up the information if it were my ancestor/interest.

gnu

[Gen List Lass]

Thank you so much for the 1851 and 1861 census, now I know his parents.

I'd found a sniff of scandal about this family in the online newspapers. His stepson Collingwood Hilton Fenwick was given a years hard labour in 1888 for stabbing an "unfortunate". The police thought they'd caught Jack the Ripper!

So Ed Mostyn Thelwell married Sarah the older widow in 1873 only 2 years after his release from 5 years jail...... I wonder how on earth they met?

On the next censuses after their marriage she is described as married but he isn't with her.... I wonder if he was in jail again?

Fascinating! Many thanks to all who are helping with this slippery fellow.

Gen in NBL England