WINTER: Ham, Eng to NZL

[GLC]

I am researching the WINTER family and welcome any help or contacts to share data with.
Cheers, Glen

My Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather & Grandmother

William WINTER b. c1730 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. 1800 Bentworth, HAM, ENG
m. 1784 Bentworth, HAM, ENG to
Mary GREGORY bap. 1753 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. 1836 Bentworth, HAM, ENG

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My Great Great Great Great Grandfather & Grandmother

John WINTER b. c1784 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. 1860 Bentworth, HAM, ENG
m. 1805 Bentworth, HAM, ENG to
Ann BRAMLEY (d/o John BRAMLEY & Mary TAPHOUSE) b. 1780 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. 1858 Bentworth, HAM, ENG

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My Great Great Great Grandfather & Grandmother

James WINTER bap. 1813 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. 1888 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL
m. 1835 Bentworth, HAM, ENG to
Mary PAGE nee PALMER (d/o William PALMER & Mary UNKNOWN) bap. 1810 Weston Patrick, HAM, ENG; d. 1877 Takaka, NZL

Mary was previously married in 1830 Bentworth, HAM, ENG to
Charles PAGE (poss parents Edward PAGE & Harriet UNKNOWN) bap. 1817 Bentworth, HAM, ENG; d. bef 1835 Bentworth, HAM, ENG

James remarried in 1882 Rototai, Takaka, NZL to
Mary Ann BENHAM nee PACKARD (d/o Peter PACKARD & Rachel UNKNOWN) bap. 1828 Framlingham, SFK, ENG; d. 1914 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL

Mary Ann was previously married 1853 Camberwell District, SRY, ENG to
Edward BENHAM b. c1825 Bandey/Bawdsey, SFK, ENG; d. poss 1875 Camberwell, SRY, ENG

After James died she married in 1894 Takaka, NZL to
Albin Townsend BURT (s/o Henry Wellington BURT & Ann BREWERTON) b. 1838 Reading, BKS, ENG; d. 1923 Motupipi, Golden Bay, NZL

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My Great Great Grandfather & Grandmother

David James (James) WINTER b. 1844 Nelson, NZL; d. 1935 Motupipi, Golden Bay, NZL
m. 1864 Takaka, NZL to
Emma CRAIB nee MOORE (d/o John MOORE & Harriet PAINTER) b. 1842 KEN, ENG; d. 1904 Motupipi, Golden Bay, NZL

Emma was previously married in 1860 Nelson, NZL to
George CRAIB (poss parents Alexander CRAIB & Isabella DAVIDSON) b. c1831 Mortlach, BAN, SCT; d. 1862 Clarence River, MBH, NZL

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My Great Grandfather & Grandmother

Peter WINTER b. 1867 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL; d. 1923 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL
m. 1891 Takaka, NZL to
Edith Harriet (Harriet) LANGFORD (d/o Walter LANGFORD & Louisa WRATTEN) b. 1874 Nelson, NZL; d. 1952 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL

Edith remarried in 1934 to
Felix George (George) PLUNKET (s/o James Francis Truman PLUNKET & Katherine UNKNOWN)

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My Grandfather & Grandmother

Rosetta Harriet (Rose) WINTER b. 1895 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL; d. 1982 Takaka, NZL
m. 1912 Clifton, Golden Bay, NZL to
William Alfred HARWOOD (s/o Charles HARWOOD & Elizabeth FLETCHER) b. 1882 Takaka, NZL; d. 1938 Takaka, NZL

[JaneRH]

Dear Glen - The Friends of the Curtis Museum and Allen Gallery in Alton (Hampshire) published an article in Alton Papers no.14 called ‘Emigration, Alton to New Zealand, 1841-1844’. In it were listed the families who went from the Alton area to help create the Second Colony - Nelson. Among them were James and Mary Winter, their 2 sons, 2 daughters and 3 Page step-sons from Bentworth.
Below are the details from their application form as well as those from the form of a William Winter from Selborne. You have probably seen these already I expect.

No.      Register No         Date
239      3206             27 May 1841      August
Applicant and wife: James and Mary Winter
Trade: agricultual labourer
Residence: Bentworth
Married or single: m
Charge for children?: cannot pay for children
Late employer: Mr W Hopkins
Clergyman: Revd T Matthew Bentworth
Physician:
Name of all parties   age last birthday   vac.or had small-pox?
James            28         v
Mary            31         v
William Page   former    11         v
Charles Page   husband   9         v
John Page      “      8         v
George            5         v
Mary Ann         3         v
James            1½         v
Certified to be in every respect well qualified for free passage to the Colony by me.
Abraham Crowley   Alton Hants      (No 3 May 27 1841)
For Second Colony in August
Theddon Grange near Bentworth   May 10
Sir   Winter have worked for me more than a year and I Believe him to be a honest Sober and Good Labour and Like wise his wife and family and not afraid of work
yours Wm Hopkins

No.      Register No         Date
257      3442-3            16 July 1841
Applicant and wife: William and Harriett Winter
Trade: agricultural and wood cutter
Residence: Selborne
Married or single: m
Charge for children?: cannot pay for the one under age
Late employer: Mr J Waterman Selborne   good man
Clergyman: Revd Cobbold
Physician:
Name of all parties   age last birthday   vac.or had small-pox?
William         35         v
Harriett         33         v
Elizabeth         11         v
Jane            9         v
George            7         v
James            3         v
Certified to be in every respect well qualified for free passage to the Colony by me.
Abraham Crowley   Alton Hants      (No 22 July 22 1841)
For August Expidition to second Colony
William Winter was employed by me for some years - I considered him an honest & industrious Labourer & worthy of the boon of a free passage to New Zealand Feby 1842
Selborne      John Waterman

I have also come across an ‘Estate agent's auction notice for the sale of an estate in Bentworth near Alton in Hampshire. The auction is to take place at the Swan Inn (Alton) on the 14th July 1837.
The property has been divided into three separate lots, which consists of about 46 acres and includes a farmhouse (with outer buildings) and two cottages. The sale has been brought about by the death of the owner a William Winter. Joseph Jordan is the presiding auctioneer and estate agent. William Goodchild, Edward Holdaway and W. Winter (the son, I presume.) are residing tenants who have been given notice. Clement and Newman are the Southampton solicitors.
Attached to this notice at the reverse is a similar sized sheet of paper which has handwritten details of the eventual sale along with the conditions of sale contained on two pages. It seems as if one of the tenants (Goodchild) was able to purchase two of the lots and a James Giddens purchased the other.’

The Will of William Winter, Yeoman of Bentworth , Hampshire 13 April 1809 is a PCC one - PROB 11/1496 at The National Archives. There are several other Winter wills listed in the catalogue of the Hampshire Record Office. Georgia Smith in her book ‘Bentworth, the Making of a Hampshire Village’ mentions William Winter having a farm in Ashley Lane in Bentworth ‘now Hop Bine Cottage’. In the Bentworth Enclosure Act of 1799, Joseph Page of Lasham had Croucher’s Farm. Georgia staes that Winter’s Farm was also known as Page’s.

I am in the process of sorting out Georgia’s research on Bentworth and Alton for the Research Area at the Curtis Museum and will, no doubt, come across the Winter family. In fact, the 1665 Hearth Tax shows that William Wynter was assessed for 1 hearth and Widow Wynter for 2! Yours Jane (Hurst)

[GLC]

Thank you soooo much Jane.
I did have the emigration info for James, but not for William. Family lore thinks that these two were cousins, but as yet I have not proved or disproved that.

I was very interested to read about the Winter farm also known as Page's farm. I wonder if this is a connection between the two families back a generation from James and Mary Ann.

Your time and effort is much appreciated.
Cheers, Glen

[JaneRH]

Dear Glen - you mention the possibility of James and William Winter being cousins:-
William Winter   said to be 35 in 1841
1830   11 May   William Winter married Harriet Hunt at Selborne
1804   29 July      William was son of William and Elizabeth baptised at Selborne

1800   14 Oct      William Winter married Elizabeth Beacher at Selborne
         [Elizabeth buried 11 Dec 1831 aged 55]
         [William said to be aged 76 and born in Selborne in the 1851 census]

There were 2 William Winters baptised in 1778 - one in Bentworth and the other in Hartley Mauditt.
It is probably the second who married in Selborne. A William Winter of West Worldham had married Ann Goodyer in Hartley Mauditt on 28 October 1776. He may have been the William who was buried in West Worldham on 12 April 1817 aged 76.
The Bentworth William Winter married Jemima Page on 11 July 1802 in Bentworth. Hence the Selborne Winter family who went to New Zealand were not immediately related to the Bentworth ones. Yours Jane

[GLC]

Yes Jane, I tend to agree with you that the connection to my rellie James and William is not a close one.
I think because they came out on the same boat with the same surname and from the same county, the family assumed they were closely related.

Mind you, to confuse the issue, James' daughter Charlotte, married William's son Henry and are my GG aunt and uncle. 

Thanks for the fresh eyes and info that has verified my data.
Glen

[judywinter]

Hi Anyone, I see some interesting information about William Winter and his wife Harriett and family who emigrated to Nelson, NZ in 1841.  William and Harriett are my GGG Grandparents.  I work in the UK but I am from NZ and  would like to visit Alton and Selborne on my time off.  If anyone has any information on my line of the Winter family I would very much appreciate it.   My grandfather is Sidney Herbert Claude Winter born 1895, Wanganui, NZ;  his father was Joseph Clement Winter born 1874 in Nelson, NZ, married Mabel Jane Marr;  his father was William Winter born 1844 died 19220, married Mary Jane Armstrong, son of William and Harriett Winter, who was born in Nelson, NZ after they emigrated.

Any information about the family of William and Harriett Winter from Selborne would be appreciated.

Judith Winter

[GLC]

Judy have sent you a PM with my email addie.
Cheers, Glen

[judywinter]

Hi Glen - I am very excited you have sent me a reply but I can't find where the email address is?  where do I look for that?

Cheers Judy

[GLC]

Hi Glen - I am very excited you have sent me a reply but I can't find where the email address is?  where do I look for that?

Cheers Judy

At the very top of the page you should see "Welcome back, judywinter, you have 1 message" click on it and it will open your message box.
Cheers, Glen