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emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« on: Sunday 14 August 11 13:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

help pls, can find emily on 1881 census as a 3 yr old visitor with the wilkins in llangaron, herefordshire.  can only find her again when she marries a richard cole in birmingham 1900.

can any one find her on the 1891 census.  have trawled through thousands of entries so far.

cant find a link with the wilkinsons.  i have been told her moms name was maria(nee stevenson) but not sure of this.

thanks

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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 August 11 14:33 BST (UK) »
Can you give the reference for the 1881 census please cos I can't see any Wilkins in Llangaron/Llangarren in 1881 or any of the other censuses  :-\ also I could only find a Richard Cole marrying (possibly) an Emily Holmes in Aston. Do you have any more details you can give us please?

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Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
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Richards - Neath Swansea
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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 August 11 14:49 BST (UK) »
hi

yes, emily did marry richard cole in aston, birmingham, he died after about two children and she married an albert brown after that.

on the 1881 census

sorry, it was wilson not wilkins.  george wilson was born in 1831 in stroud he was 50, his wife was eliza wilson born 1833, welsh newtown.  emily is a three year old visitor.

i know emily was born in peterstow, ross-on-wye.

i can find her birth record on freebmd as being 1877 peterstow, ross but nothing for her or her family in 1891 when she would have been 13.  i know they were living in the ross on wye area.  emily in fact at the age of 18 went to london to work at the elephant and castle but that is between census anyway.

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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 16:45 BST (UK) »
Aaahhh so Emily is Emily HOLMES age 3, visitor in 1881, your heading says Emily BROWN so was looking for the wrong surname, didn't realise that was her 2nd married name. Will look again now I know thats the right girl....
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 17:02 BST (UK) »
sooo sorry,

am getting a bit caught up in this, yes she is emily holmes, then cole then brown.  i have been told her mother was a maria stevenson but not sure.

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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 17:33 BST (UK) »
I think you may have to get a certificate or two because I can't find anything, I see in 1891 George and Eliza have another adopted daughter, so they maybe just take in illegitimate children or children whose mothers died and the father can't look after them. Do you have any of her marriage certificates with a father named?

(the only Emily Holmes I can find of the right age in 1891, is in Aston with "grandparents" Abraham and Susanne Forryan, but her birthplace is Birmingham)  :-\
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 17:44 BST (UK) »
Hi

i am trying to do this research for my elderly neighbour and her cousin (74 and 84).  they know their gran was born in peterstow, emily holmes, said her mom was maria stevenson, she had her dad not sure what his first name was but ob surname was holmes, he worked on a farm with a mr holt.  apparently, emily had siblings, a douglas,  (cant find my bit of paper at the mo, always the same).  must look for my paper work, i did find a mrs holmes at home with a new baby in 1881, but it did not tie in with the information the ladies had given to me.

will have to have another word with them.  i am having a nightmare with their family research, i said 'yes i ll do that for you wont take me long' lol.  send for a death cert for her gran on her dad's side, her dad had always said his mom died when he was 14 of a stroke and he went into barnardos.  well the death cert states that he was 19 when she died of a heart attack and he registered the death, however, the electoral register for that year states that the house they put downwas empty at that time.

a mystery only going back to 1927 - so what chance of past 1841 i dont know, i have managed to go back to 1820 to tewkesbury tho.

molly
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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 20:00 BST (UK) »
Could she have been telling a few fibs or be mistaken maybe? -

1881 Sept quarter Marriage Emma Holmes to possibly a Henry Price

1881 census - Emma Holmes age 28 born Llangarron, servant in Lucas Household - Bridstow, Herefordshire

1861 Emma Holmes age 12 born and living in Llangarren with parents John and Maria


In 1891 census Henry and Emma are living with children Albert W, Charles H and Kate E, as well as a 13 year old Emily so she was born before their marriage in 1881 but I can't find Emily in 1881 under the name Price with either Henry or Emma, can you??  :-\

Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: emily brown born 1877 in peterstow, ross-on-wye, herefordshire
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 August 11 08:55 BST (UK) »
And this would appear to be her grandparents marriage -

John Holmes Sept 1844 Blything 13 606
Bride - Maria Stevenson

Let me know if you need any of the census transcriptions if you don't have access

Regards
Cat  :)
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov