Church of England, NSW. Walter NEARY

[Breo]

I'm hoping some kind person can help me with the following please:-

LDS familysearch shows a marriage of Walter NEARY and Mary Ann MARSHALL on 12 November 1830 at "Church of England, New South Wales, Australia".

As both Walter Neary and his son, also a Walter Neary, were transported to NSW, I was  hoping to find out which Walter the above marriage record refers to.

Walter Neary senior was transported age 52, on Hercules, left England December 1824. I have found details of a savings account  for him in Sydney, so he might have attracted a wife.

Walter Neary junior (born about 1801/4) was transported on Asia in April 1922.

Is there anyway I can find out which church this would be in NSW and if the records recorded the groom's age?

thanks

Karen

[Deb D]

The NSW Registry of BDMs has two marriages listed for Walter and Mary Ann: - one is St Philip's Church (Reg # V18305055 3B/1830)which is located above Wynyard railway station at 3 York Street, and the other is St James' (V1830201 14/1830) which is in King Street and close to the Law Courts and St James railway Station.

[Deb D]

There's only one Walter Neary listed in the Deaths; - the registration # is 5138/1864 - obviously he died in 1864 or late 1863, and he was 91 when he died, so this appears to be Walter Senior.

[Breo]

The NSW Registry of BDMs has two marriages listed for Walter and Mary Ann: - one is St Philip's Church (Reg # V18305055 3B/1830)which is located above Wynyard railway station at 3 York Street, and the other is St James' (V1830201 14/1830) which is in King Street and close to the Law Courts and St James railway Station.

Thanks Debs.

On LDS familysearch, this Walter and Mary Ann had both their children christened at St James, so I assume that is where they were married? Are there any online records I can search for St James, to try to find out the age of the groom? I'm in the UK and descend down their English lines (Walter seniors daughter).

Why would there have been 2 marriages for one couple? Or did both Walters' marry a Mary Ann?

I found Walter seniors death thanks, died in Parramatta. 91 is a good age.

[judb]

Hi Karen

There are a couple of public trees for Walter NEARY b abt 1772.  There is a death indexed on the NSW BMD site which would fit this man:

1864
Walter NEARY, age 91, died Parramatta, death registered Parramatta #5138 (thus b abt 1773)

This death certificate should show his marriage.  It is cheaper and quicker to use a transcription agent who will email you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent

This looks like the son's death:

1917
Walter NEARY, parents Walter, Mary A, death registered at HORNSBY #7490

So it looks as though Walter sen was married to a 'Mary Ann' BUT Walter jun,  the convict, was born in England well before the 1830 marriage.    Mary Ann is a common name.

There is a funeral and death notice for this Walter, 1917.  
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1264950
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1264949

Perhaps there were three Walter NEARYs - this one has a birth date of abt 1832 which would fit with his parents being Walter and Mary Ann married in 1830.  Still doesn't solve the question of which Walter is getting married in 1830!

Hmm - looking at NSW BMD indexes there are births listed with parents Walter NEARY and Mary Ann or Mary A mostly in the Bathurst/Sofala region from 1831 to 1879.  Clearly these cannot be to the one couple!

My goodness, this is a tangled lot!

Austcemindex has a grave at Wattle Flat of a Mary Ann NEARY, died 1881 age 46 (b abt 1835), wife of Walter NEARY so it is not that couple who were married in 1830.


Looks as though Courts were familiar to these fellows  

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2543825

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12855941

I assume you have seen the accounts of the trials of Walter sen and jun on the Old Bailey website

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp

Junior aged 15 in 1819 - stealing a tea chest, fined.
Junior, aged 19 in 1821 - stealing bedlinen, sentence transportation
Senior, aged 52 in 1824 - stealing a chest and a quantity of tea, sentence transportation


Looks as though Courts were familiar to these fellows  

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2543825

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12855941

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2213211

Difficult to sort out the marriage in 1830 without the death or marriage certificate.  NSW BMD indexes  list the 1830 marriage twice    
1830 Walter NEARY m Mary A Marshall, district CJ, reg no V1830201 14/1830 (CJ is St James Sydney)
Also district CA, reg no V18305055 3B (CA is St Phillips, Sydney)

Could you list any children please - this may help sort out these Walters and Mary Anns

Cheers, Judith

[majm]

Very late here so I will post again tomorrow ... But thatss only ONE marriage not 2  the V series alerts me to that ... Please note St P was the NSW Chaplains  so all denominations were meant to transmit bdm info to the NSW Chaplain

[judb]

Hi JM - I realise it's only one marriage but thought it worth mentioning that it is listed twice.

Cheers, Judith

[Breo]

Hi JM - I realise it's only one marriage but thought it worth mentioning that it is listed twice.

Cheers, Judith

And very useful that piece of information was too as I have just found the other marriage record on LDS for the St James record and it states the age of the groom is 21. So it can't be Walter senior.

With all the information I have been given by Judith and what I have just read while searching, I'm not sure about Walter junior now I'll gather up what I have for him and post it and ask you all for your expert advice.

many thanks

Karen

[Breo]

Looks as though Courts were familiar to these fellows  

I assume you have seen the accounts of the trials of Walter sen and jun on the Old Bailey website

Yes And the trial of Walter senior and his other son William: where their silver tongues helped them be acquitted

Looks as though Courts were familiar to these fellows  

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2543825

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12855941

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2213211

Were there many convicts who had savings accounts?

http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/n/F41c_n-03.htm

I thought that meant they had continued their serial thieving in Oz. Thanks for the links.