Parker Family Birmingham

[rich73]

Hi Guys
i am looking for some info regarding my G Grandmothers family history Annie Parker b1889
her father was William Parker b1865 going by the census records for 1891
RG12; Piece: 2418; Folio 97; Page 13
i have her Baptism cert (st Chad's Birmingham) and birth records confirming her father name was William but i did a search on Familysearch and came across her baptism saying fathers name Gulielmi Parker mother Cathrine Hayes Parker, the dates are the same as certs and mothers name. she had a brother so i check his baptism came up with the same info father Gulieimi mother
Cathrine
i now St Chad's is a catholic church could he be of Italian decent but the name Parker is English
i have been unable to find William and Catharine on the 1881 or 1871 census
i did come across a gulielmi Parker having 4 children (famliysearch)
guliemus Parker b1885, rosanna Parker b1893, Helena Parker b1887, Cathrine b1890
mother Cathrine Meekin Parker
i know it not the same parents but maybe his brothers family?


                          regards rich

[Annette7]

Catholic parish records usually recorded names in Latin - Gulielmi is Latin for William.

Annette

[Annette7]

Just another William and Catherine Parker.

Your William Parker married Catherine Hayes - reg'd Sept.qtr. 1885 Birmingham

The other William Parker b.1861 Birmingham married Catherine Meycan (transcription error?) Jun.qtr.1882 Birmingham.

Are your able to follow your William and Catherine back or do you need some help on this?

Annette

[rich73]

Hi Annette
thanks from explaining regarding the Latin i did not know that

i have traced Cathrine back to her parents in 1871 RG10; Piece: 4028; Folio: 131; Page: 17
father James Hayes and mother Johanna Foley marriage Apr-May-Jun 1866 Manchester , but they disappear after this they are both from across the water so they may have gone back

but i have had no luck with William Parker at all would love a bit of help with this

                     regards Richard

[Annette7]

Do you have William and Catherine's marriage certificate?

If so, what is William's father's name?    What are their respective occupations?
Who are the witnesses?

Do you have William and Catherine on any census after 1891 as I can't seem to find them?

Annette

[rich73]

Annette
i do not have the wedding cert sorry but i do have Annie's birth cert b1889
William is listed as corporation labour living at 52 Aston rd, Aston
i also have her marriage cert 1912 listed father William deceased. i do know she was living with a Louisa and Richard Roath in 1911 at Vere Street
so no sign of William before 1891 or after this date i also been unable to
find her brother John or Cathrine after 1891

                  rich 

[Annette7]

Rich

I think you have got to back to basics here.    The only written proof you have of ages is the 1891 Census when William Parker shown bc.1865 Birmingham and wife Catherine (nee Hayes) bc.1868 Manchester.

However, I have now found details of their marriage on familysearch:

William Parker    22     single    son of William Parker
Catherine Hayes 20    single    dau. of Ernest Hayes

married 11/7/1885 St. Stephen, Birmingham

Straightaway, there's a discrepancy with ages - marriage suggests William bc.1863 and Catherine bc.1865.   There's also a discrepancy in that Catherine's father is given as an Ernest Hayes on this transcription - however, there was no Ernest Hayes at this time anywhere in the country who was old enough to have been her father so has this been transcribed incorrectly!

I don't believe the Catherine you found with parents James and Johanna Hayes in 1871 is your Catherine.   That Catherine appears to have been born Sept. qtr.1866 Manchester, sister Mary Dec.qtr.1867 and Martha Ellen Jun.qtr.1871.    None of this family, including Catherine, seem to appear in any records again and I'm sure the whole family probably left the country after 1871.

To proceed any further I think you must get the marriage certificate of William and Catherine - you need any extra bit of information you can such as father's occupations, their own occupations and addresses, names of witnesses (who may possibly be family).    Without it, trying to identify the correct William Parker and Catherine Hayes is just guesswork.

All I can suggest at this point.

Annette

[rich73]

Hi Annette
i will send for the marriage on monday and let you know
in the mean time Annie's baptisum cert says godmother Mary Hayes godfather Thomas Featherstone and on the 1891 census the featherstone family are living 2 doors down from
cathrine and williams

also Annie parker is living with louisa and richard roath in 1911
i found a marriage for a louisa Parker to a richard henry roath Jul-Aug-Sep 1900

i think i may have found william in 1881 living with his mother in Paignton
Martha Parker 
Age  49 
Estimated Year of Birth  1832 
Relationship to Head of Household  Head 
Occupation  Retired Grocers Widow 
Birth Place  Huntingdon 
Birth County  Huntingdonshire 
Householder 2 
Name  Thomas Parker 
Age  15 
Estimated Year of Birth  1866 
Relationship to Head of Household  Son 
Occupation  Drapers Apprentice 
Birth Place  Birmingham 
Birth County  Warwickshire 
Householder 3 
Name  William Parker 
Age  14 
Estimated Year of Birth  1867 
Relationship to Head of Household  Son Scholar 
Occupation  Scholar 
Birth Place  Birmingham 
Birth County  Warwickshire 
Householder 4 
Name  Louisa Parker 
Age  12 
Estimated Year of Birth  1869 
Relationship to Head of Household  Daughter 
Occupation  Scholar 
Birth Place  Birmingham 
Birth County  Warwickshire 
Householder 5 
Name  John Parker 
Age  8 
Estimated Year of Birth  1873 
Relationship to Head of Household  Son 
Occupation  Scholar 
Birth Place  Birmingham 
Birth County  Warwickshi

what do you think ?
if right i can find them right back and  1871 also lists
Louisa Harris 
Age  72 
Estimated Year of Birth  1799 
Relationship to Head of Household  Mother-In-Law 

[Annette7]

Wish you'd added these other 'snippets' before.

The family you've found in 1881 does indeed look possible - but the vital thing at this stage is the marriage certificate you are going to send for which will confirm or not.    If it confirms the family then William lied about his age when they married - he'd have actually been 19 (not 22).

If the 1881 family is correct then these are the details:

William Parker, son of Thomas, married Martha Sawyer, dau. of Samuel, on 12/3/1861 Kingstreet Chapel, Derby (familysearch).

Their children born Birmingham:

Thomas Sept.qtr.1865
William Sawyer Jun.qtr.1867
Louisa Mary Mar.qtr.1869
John Jun.qtr.1872

So, both William Sawyer and Louisa Mary married without stating their 2nd. names which didn't help.

According to the 1871 Census father William was bc.1832 Scalford, Leicestershire and the familysearch site shows he was bp.24/4/1831 Scalford, Leics. son of Thomas and Mary.

However, until we know for certain this is the correct family better to not run away with ourselves.   (Samuel and Louisa Sawyer appear on the 1841 Census but cannot find Martha anywhere.   Perhaps she'd been sent to family because maybe Samuel was ill - he died in the Dec.qtr.1841 Huntingdon and his widow Louisa appears to have remarried Mar.1843 Huntingdon to a John Harris.)

So, this all seems to tie up but just need confirmation that this is the correct family which hopefully the marriage certificate will give.

Look forward to the outcome.

Annette