JOHN DUNN (ggg grandfather)

[retep]

Any information on JOHN DUNN (ggg grandfather)  would be very welcome.

Born around 1777 in County Kildare, Ireland.       Died in Jan. 1862  (age 85)  in St.Pancras Workhouse, London.

Married Ann Williams in 1826 at St. Pancras Old Church, London.  He was age 49 and described as 'widower' .

Occupation: smith.

Sons: William and Thomas, born in St Pancras, London.

My grandfather (father's line) was Frederick William Dunn and gg grandfather was Thomas Dunn.

I'd like to find out when and why he came to England from Ireland;  I've got one record for John Dunn's birth details in Barrowhouse (or Barrowford) Parish/District Athy, Co. Kildare on 10 June 1777, but don't know whether this is the 'right' person.     

If I could find details of his first marriage - where and who to,  e.g. in Ireland or England, I could try to find more information of the period between this and his second marriage.

 Any info. whatsoever please from anyone who might be researching the same or part of this family tree.     Thanks.

[aghadowey]

Very difficult to research Irish families as far back as 1777 without knowing exactly (townland, parish & county) the family lived as many church records for that period do not survive and civil registration didn't start until much later. Having a common surname like Dunn doesn't help either.
As for when John Dunn arrived in Englnd- records were not (and still aren't) kept of passengers travelling from Ireland to England/Scotland/Wales as Ireland was part of U.K.

[retep]

Thanks.    John was definitely born in Co. Kildare - this is shown on the various census records when he lived (and died) in St. Pancras, London.   The Kildare Family History and Records Centre advised me that  a John Dunn was born in 'Barrowhouse' – but they say probably meant to be Barrowford (the local Townland) – possible mistake by priest in writing it down;    Athy (Parish/District);    County Kildare.

Parents: James Dunn and Ellis (no other name given)

The year 1775, tallies with his age, but this could, of course, be another John Dunn.   If I could find out when he first married, his parents' (or jsut his father's?) name could be on the parish record.  Although this would not be conclusive, at least it might partly confirm or otherwise the 1775 entry.

[aghadowey]

As 1st marriage would have been before 1826 it's hard to say whether or not father's name would actually appear on the church record of the marriage.

[retep]

Any information on JOHN DUNN (ggg grandfather)  would be very welcome.

Born around 1777 in County Kildare, Ireland.    I've got one record for a John Dunn's birth details in  Barrowford Parish/District Athy, Co. Kildare on 10 June 1777,  parents: James Dunn and Ellis (no other name given)  but don't know whether this is the 'right' person.   I understand that, at that time, not all parishes kept birth records.

Died in Jan. 1862  (age 85)  in St.Pancras Workhouse, London.

Married Ann Williams in 1826 at St. Pancras Old Church, London.  He was age 49 then and described as 'widower' .

Occupation: smith/coachbuilder

Sons: William and Thomas, born in St Pancras, London.

My grandfather (father's line) was Frederick William Dunn and gg grandfather was Thomas Dunn.


(i)    If I could find details of his first marriage - where and who to,  e.g. in Ireland or England, I could try to find more information of the period between this and his second marriage.

(ii)   There is an army record of a John Dunn: JOHN DUNN Born CHURCH TOWN, Kildare Served in 17th Dragoons (Light) Discharged aged 36.    Served 1809 - 1823.    I wondered whether Churchtown in Kildare is fairly near to Barrowford - if so, he might have given Churchtown as his place of birth - although, even if it is near, this wouldn't prove that it's the same person.

Any info./suggestions whatsoever will be welcome.     Thanks.

[shanew147]

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Born around 1777 in County Kildare, Ireland.    I've got one record for a John Dunn's birth details ....in 10 June 1777....
I understand that, at that time, not all parishes kept birth records.
....

I would go further than that - very few parishes have records going back that far, so you need to know a specific location to see if any records exist for the area your Dunne family originated.

e.g. of the approximately 25 RC parishes in Co. Kildare (some cover parts of other counties), just 6 have any details back before 1800.


Shane

[retep]

Thanks for the info. Shane.

Peter

[Jurlina]

Of course there would be many John Dunn's in Kildare at the time, but my fourth great grandmother's father was John Dunn, married to Ann Dunn.

My apologies if they are unrelated, but I though it may be worth a try...

According to passenger arrival documentation held by the NSW State Archives, Bridget Sherwood nee Dunn was a protestant house servant who was the daughter of John and Ann Dunn (though her mother is described as "Hannah" in Bridget's death record in NSW in 1867). Her age is variously ascribed and there is a 15 year discrepancy in the records.  The theory, I believe, is that Robert and Bridget made themselves "younger" in order to apply for the Bounty Immigrant Scheme.

Bridget married Robert Sherwood April 26 1818, at Monasterevin, Kildare, and their son, William Dunn Sherwood (b. 20 Mar 1820), was my 3rd great grandfather. William married Catherine Ryan, who also emigrated from Monasterevin on the "Premier" in 1840.

If you find some family connection, I would appreciate knowing, too...

Thanks, Michele

[retep]

Hi Michele,

Firstly, apologies for not replying much earlier - I had some computer problems and it's only more recently that I've had a chance to look at my previous e-mails.  The Ann Dunn who married 'my' John Dunn in 1826 in St Pancras, London, would not have been the same person as 'your' Ann - as you say that her daughter Bridget was married in 1818 - in Kildare.

However, 'my' John Dunn was a widower when he married in 1826 and I've been unable to trace his first wife. If he was born in 1777, as my research indicates, it would have been possible for him to have married in Ireland and had a daughter who would have been old enough to marry in 1818.  Presumably, there's no reason why she couldn't have had the same first name as his second wife - but unfortunately, I don't see any way of my finding out definitely, the details of John's first wife. Of course, 'your' Ann would have had to have died before 1826 for it to have even been a possibility that she was John's first wife.

That's my reasoning anyway, but if there's anything else you can think of, please let me know - as I will, you, if I get any more info - but I'm rather doubtful that I will.

Best wishes,

Peter