# 32 Reply summary of family = HART P J & Corcoran M NSW Australia

[May Hem]

Margaret Hart nee Corcoran
Convict
Ship Name : Blackfriar
261 convicts on board
Departure point : Ireland
Departure Date :24/01/1851
Arrival Date 29/05/1851
Conduct Record CON 41/30
Indent CON 15/7
Description CON19/9

Tried In Kings Court, Limerick
Larceny - stole a cow

Ann Lavery (also convicted) probable sister,
Guilty of receiving stolen goods (maybe milk from the cow?)

[May Hem]

(James) Patrick HART
Convict 33869
Ship Name : Emily(2)
Departure Point : Dublin
Departure Date : 14/07/1844
Arrival Date : 30/10/1844, Tasmania
Conduct Record : CON33/60
Indent : CON14/29
Description List CON 18/37

Tried in Tipperary
Charged with arms/assault.
Age 24 yrs (?)

His brother RICHARD HART,
convict  No 33877
Ship : Recovery
Departure Port : Downs
Departure Date :1/06/1837
Arrival Date : 8/10/1837 Tasmania
Conduct Record 31/22
Description List CON 18/22, CON23/2
Appropriation List SO5/73/1622 p.240, MM33/6, CON 27/7

Richard's son, Steve Hart, was a member of the Kelly Gang
Inglewood is a place 23 kmsfrom Euroa, Victoria.
Longwood is a picturesque township some distance away

Hope this helps with your searches
MayHem

[jamison]

Hello May Hem

Thanks for the info.

I `ve been out of it for a while.

I thought they were old wives tales - of the Kelly gang !!!

Now, l need to catch up with descendants of Richard brother to (James) Patrick.

Oh, by the way if l look at a map of Victoria - Longwood looks closer to Euroa than Inglewood.

Cheers and again thanks for the info.

Jamison

[May Hem]

Hello Jamison

I thought you would find the convict records interesting.
They all landed in Tasmania but soon found their way to Victoria.
Margaret Corcoran's convict number is 16463.
We have been unable to find the Hart/Corcoran marriage certificate - maybe they married in Tasmania.
You have MCs  death certificate, she died of senility, your Ellen Mary Owens, of Bynya via Whitton was a witness.
Margaret Corcoran's father was Patrick Corcoran, unknown profession.
Her mother was Mary Macklin.
Mary Ann Hart died in 1890 - Margaret Corcoran/Hart had lived with Mary Ann.
I guess that is why your Mary Ellen was witness at Margaret Corcoran/Hart's deathbed.
Whitton is a tiny tiny village.
I descend from Mary Ann Hart.
The family may have had a little farm at Inglewood, just a cluster of houses.
Inglewood is crosscountry from Longwood, I guess it could be about the same distance from Euroa in a different direction.

Your Ellen Mary and my Mary Ann were cousins of Steve Hart, son of Richard Hart.
The bushranger connection is correct.

I hope all this information has helped your research.

kind regards
MayHem

[jamison]

Hi May Hem

Yes, l did find it interesting

Are you from the Toll or Lansley connection

Yes, we often heard that EM was related to Steve Hart but it was never really talked about.

Yes and it has helped me out alot - but it has spured me to go on and look for them now.

Finding Patrick and Richards` death info would be great to join them up.

Cheers

Jamison

[May Hem]

Hi Jamison

In those days there was a lot of shame having bushranger connections so it was the veritable skeletons in the cupboard.
It seems it was the same in your family. Our elders did not want to own that information, the internet has changed all that.
We have no record of Patrick's death, bit like the marriage records, despite the genealogist searches.
Richard we have not pursued at all, other than knowing he was Steve Hart's father and Patrick's brother.
I suspect you will find both in the northern Victoria region, the Kelly, LLoyds, Harts etc were a close knit community
So my knowledge is limited to MAH and her immediate family.
I am a Toll connection.

When I have the time I search out an Owens which we found in Hay Cemetery, I suspect it could be one of your relatives.
I will revert asap with that information..

kind regards
MayHem
 

[jamison]

Hi May Hem

I am happy to have both in the family tree - Convicts and a blood relative of a Bushranger.

No shame here in the 21st Century !!!

Only when you have time to look it up - Owens !!!

Keep in touch - and l will start looking for Richard`s family etc...

Regards

Jamison

[jamison]

Hi May Hem

Just surfing the net and found on a site the birth registration copy of Agnes Hart - Steve`s sister.

And another site with basic info. on their family.

Will search more and then post it here for anyone else to add to it.

Regards

Jamison

[May Hem]

I have just noticed that the Vic genealogist we used in 2001 made the comment that the Index to 19th Century PoliceWatch-house Books, lists:
HART Patrick - Greta - 2 August 1877. If it is MAH's father, then he may have died in prison.The genealogist recommended a search at the Victorian Police Archives, we did not follow through as we were already dealing with an overload of ancestors. That may be another source for you.
If Patrick was in jail, it would explain why Margaret Corcoran seemed to be living with and following around Mary Ann for many years.
Those families moved all through the villages north and south of Euroa - Violet Town, Avenel, Greta - in fact the core Kelly gang was known as the Greta mob.
Sounds like modern day bikie groups!
She did make the comment that Stephen Hart, one of the Kelly gang, was the son of a Richard Hart and born c1860. Stephen had a brother Richard, she could not see other members of the family without extra search ( the pre-paid search time had expired!).

The headstone in Hay Cemetery is MARY ELLEN OWENS, passed away 19 September 185?. "Always remembered by her loving daughter, Edna".
I cannot read the last digit on the death year, because there was a little glass jar filled with fresh pink roses in front of the year.
Someone still remembers and honours.
We were there in 2005, photographing an ancestor's grave in front of the OWENS grave.I remember seeing Owens graves in Narrandera cemetery, but we did not photograph as we could not remember the OWENS connection.

Despite all our searches over the years we have never found the final resting place of MAH or MCH. If they lie in Narrandera Cemetery as stated, then we suspect they are in unmarked graves. We searched other nearby village cemeteries but there is no trace of them, no records at the Town Hall, the Church, or the undertakers.  We suspect they led wretched lives.

I hope this information has given you plenty of fresh leads.

Kind regards

May Hem