Valter / Volters look up request

[BePauline]

Can you help solve a riddle?  We know that 2 boys, John Charles and Elisha, were born in 1832 and 1833 to a John and Sophia Volters living and working as servants in Arthingworth, Northants.

However, on the 1841 and 1851 census these boy(s), are NOT classed as 'sons' of the head of the family and are living with a John and Sophia Beecham.

We need to know whether Sophia Volters remarried and became Beecham, so a marriage would need to be found between 1833 and 1841.  This might also assume that John Volters died during that time ... so a burial would be good!

We could also do with finding the marriage of Sophia and John Volters, probably around 1830 (later the name consistently became Valters, but was once spelt as Vollers ... and there are many other possible spellings).

On censuses, Sophia Beecham (ie possibly the previous 'Volters'?) was born around 1793 in Rutland, and John Beecham was born in Oxford in 1803.  Finding either of these births might also help.

Help! Can anyone help solve this riddle .....?

[seahall]

Hi BePauline.

Welcome to Rootschat.

On the 1851 Elisha Valler is noted as a Cabinet Maker's App
to John Beecham Shopkeeper and noted as a lodger therefore
not necessarily a relation.

I can not see a marriage for John And Sophia on the Northants
Marriage Indexes although Arthingworth is close to Leicestershire.

Obviously at this time it would be a Parish Church Record I suppose
it could be Oxford or Rutland (County).

Being servants though it might be a case of looking at all the census
years.

I will look at the 1841 in a mo.

Sandy

[seahall]

Hi again.

Okay on the 1841 census at Gt Oxenden (next to Arthingworth)
John (an Ag Lab) and Susannah Beecham have their names
and then after a / which usually means others in household
is the 2 boys after which is // which means end of household.

Therefore is there a connection, were they just visiting that night,
or some other reason.


Sandy

[seahall]

On the 1861 Census John is Light Porter still in Oxford a widower.

Hopefully someone else might be able to work it out for you
because I can not.

Sandy

[BePauline]

Thank you so much for trying!

The thought about trying Leicestershire marriages is a good one.

We're wondering whether the parents both died and this couple took over the care of the children. But we can't find any death records either for John or Sophia 'Volters'

So no marriages, births or deaths for the parents of John Charles and Elisha in Northants ....

[BePauline]

Quick question ...

You say that on a census '/' means 'others in household'. 

If Sophia/Susanna had remarried, and these were her children from a previous marriage, would these children be classed as being related to the Head of the family (ie her new husband) or not?

ie does the fact that there is a '/' mark mean the children are not related to either adult in the household?

 

[KGarrad]

The 1841 census does not show relationship to head of household, so we cannot know if Elisha  and John are related to John & Susannah Beecham.
"/" I think indicates a change of family within a dwelling?
"//" indicates a change/new dwelling.

We know that 2 boys, John Charles and Elisha, were born in 1832 and 1833 to a John and Sophia Volters living and working as servants in Arthingworth, Northants.

How did you find the parents names?

[BePauline]

I've just had a search through my emails, and it was from an Alan Clarke.  I've just noticed you give a link to him in one of your replies.  (I'm new to roots chat as of last night ... thank so much for your in put).

The mystery continues ... but it looks more and more likely that the adults they are living with on the censuses are not their parents.

[seahall]

Morning. 

There are extremely good instruction on how the Enumeraters
were to note the information on the censuses written by
Guy Etchells a brill Rootschatter here.

They seem to match what I said in the 1st reply.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/04on/

Sandy