st dogmaels fisherman william john death need help

[meaty]

hi for 6 years now ive been doing my fam history and cant suss out the death of William John born around 1817 in St dogmells.

he lived there all his life. he was a fisherman and married Ann(e) Griffiths of Tremain, Blaenannerch sometime before 1851.

he was still a fisherman in the 1871 census but i know he was dead by 1880 as his daughters marriage cert says he was deceased (and oddly he is given as a carpenter).

i have been scouting for his grave. a old family member told me it was in Blaenwaun chapel, in the old part of the graveyard but i cant find it for the life of me (tried 3 times). im not sure that it is actually there.

can anyone help ?

thanks

[osprey]

there is an index to the Blaenwaun graveyard produced by the Dyfed Family History Society. The archives in Aberystwyth have a copy of it on fiche

http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/register/burials.htm

You could ask them to check for you

http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/contact.php

I know my greatgreats are there, but I couldn't find them when I visited but the grass was quite long and very damp. That's my excuse anyway!

Possible death regs
William John 60 dec qtr 1876 Cardigan vol 11b pg 6
or
William John 63 sept qtr 1879 Cardigan vol 11b pg 6

[Janealogy]

Hi Meaty,

I have just looked at the Blaenywaun MI's and there is no memorial stone for William John or Ann(e) his wife.  It may be possible that no memorial stone was placed on the burial site? I don't know who would hold the burial records for Blaenywaun. May have been buried else where - another Baptist Chapel, or even the Parish Church.
There is no mention of a William John in the Blaeaywaun births.
I also checked the Parish Church of St Dogmaels BP records, but no William John 1813 -1827
It's possible he was born in a nearby village, and also his place of burial.
Sorry I could not be of more help to you and your quest.
Good Luck
Jane

[meaty]

osprey - hi yes i know what you mean about the grass, plus the ground is very very lumpy bumpy, its not fun doing that graveyard i must say. i emailed the archives last night to see what they have to say.

thanks for the bmd results. is there a way to avoid buying the two of them e.g a pre purchase cross reference that bmd can undertake, to save me buying the both certificates?

thanks

[meaty]

janealogy - thanks for your investigative work! wow that is really odd though that he is not there, but it does somewhat relieve me from questioning my own gravehunting failure.

so if hes not buried in blaenwaun then im not sure what to do. i guess he could be buried in tremain churchyard, just north of Cardigan, because that is where his wife was from, but i do find it unlikley as they were a very static st dogmaels family. this particular couple are very hard to work with i must say. i dont have much on them at all!

i guess i need to find where Anne John (nee Griffiths) is buried. She was born around 1826 in Tremain, Blaenporth Parish, Cardiganshire.  I might go and have a look around Tremain churchyard this evening.

[Janealogy]

Hi Meaty,

I actually ha William John in my data base - No relation found as yet - they all appear to be related, So I search each family from St Dogmaels, when time permits.
The 1841 census shows the possible family all living " BANK" St Dogmaels
Mary John     60 Ind
William John    25 fisherman
Pheoby John    20
Maria John    15

Recently my relation who had been searching for the burial of one of his ancestors, buried at Blaenywaun with family members, however her name was not written on the memorial stone. This may be the case of William John?? The micro Fiche details are of monumental Inscriptions and not burials.

As you know Anne's maiden name, do you have their wedding certificate? if so what is his father's name? is there an address, and what was his occupation? who were the witnesses? May be able to make headway with this information.

Hunting Blaenywaun Cemetery is very difficult. I have visited the UK twice and both my visit's to Blaenywaun the sky was black!! Heavens open, and the wind horrendous. The Old section is directly in front of the memorial stones built in the wall at Blaenywaun.
Regards
Jane

[meaty]

hi thanks for your reply. yes the 1841 could very well be my william john as a young man. i also have the 1851 1861 and 1871 census results which show he continually lived in st dogmaels all his life. i cant find ann john after 1871 either so i presume she died at a similar time to him.

you make a good point regarding the difference between the burial and the MI records. really, i need to see the burial records dont i?

i dont know when they were married but by 1851 they are married and have a 4 year old so my guess is they were married around or before 1847. ( i know she is an ann griffiths because i have one of their daughters birth certs)

so you are not living in the uk? where about are you? if you ever need a scout here then just let me know and ill scout on your behalf.

thanks

[meaty]

i just found myself chuckling at your description of blaenywaun - it really is quite an atmospheric place. 

[Janealogy]

Hi Meaty,

I guess I just pick the wrong time of the year to visit! That's UK weather for you.
I would not like to hazard a guess how many of my ancestors at resting at Blaenywaun. I also have one missing 4 x great Grandfather - his wife and young child have a memorial stone, I'm sure he is with them, but his name is not written on the stone. Blaenywaun records is full of him - admittedly mostly for explusions! I was very honoured as they opened up the chapel for me.
Food for thought
Cardigan 1813-1837 marriages William John Carpenter St Dogmaels married Anne Griffiths Llangoedmor
15 Dec 1818 - this is way to early for your William John, is it possible that you have the wrong child who married and it is written her father was Wm John Carpenter?

BMD have a death for Ann John dist of Cardigan Dec qtr  1873 aged 52

Jane