online newspapers 1819?

[kellysmith1976]

Hi, I have been looking around, and i was sure the times online had a huge archive?.. maybe my pc is playing up because i couldnt find it!..

I am interested in an inquest that took place on 3rd May 1819, in London, probably around Whitechapel area..
My X Great grandfather stabbed himself whilst not of sound mind, I was trying to get some more info on him.. His name is Charles Thurston Stanley, He was born c1749, In London...
I have his descendents, but i am no further back than him!

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Here's a likely burial:

Charles Stanley, 5 May 1819, St Mary Whitechapel.  Approx age 70.  Address at death:  Christ Church, Middlesex.

Possible connections?

Baptism of Charles Thurston Stanley, 28 February 1779, St. Mary Whitechapel, son of Charles Thurston Stanley and Elizabeth, of Roadside, Whitechapel.

Baptism of Charles Thuston Stanley, 20 November 1836, Christ Church, Spitalfields, son of Charles Thuston (hairdresser) and Hannah, of Brick Lane.

Burial of Charles Thurston Stanley, 4 November 1838, Christ Church, Spitalfields.  Age 25 of Brick Lane.


Nanny Jan

[stanmapstone]

Hi, I have been looking around, and i was sure the times online had a huge archive?.. maybe my pc is playing up because i couldnt find it!..

The Times digital archive is available online to members of an institution, such as libraries, who subscribe to it. If you are a member of a subscribing library you should be able to access it with your library card, via the library site.

Stan

[Wharfrat]

Hi

Just done a search on the Times Digital Archive, and also the British Library 19th Century Newspapers collection, and not getting any hits either on the full name or just Charles Stanley in 1819.

That's not to say that there's nothing relevant in the papers, if their indexing tool hasn't picked up the name correctly but it's not looking hopeful.

Best of luck with your search

Dave

[kellysmith1976]

Hi,

Here's a likely burial:

Charles Stanley, 5 May 1819, St Mary Whitechapel.  Approx age 70.  Address at death:  Christ Church, Middlesex.

Possible connections?

Baptism of Charles Thurston Stanley, 28 February 1779, St. Mary Whitechapel, son of Charles Thurston Stanley and Elizabeth, of Roadside, Whitechapel.

Baptism of Charles Thuston Stanley, 20 November 1836, Christ Church, Spitalfields, son of Charles Thuston (hairdresser) and Hannah, of Brick Lane.

Burial of Charles Thurston Stanley, 4 November 1838, Christ Church, Spitalfields.  Age 25 of Brick Lane.


Nanny Jan

Thank you, yes this is my family!..
I had someone tell me that Charles killed himself, not sure about how they found out this info... but thank you all for trying!

[Valda]

Hi

The Times is a National newspaper. It did pick up some local news but largely that would be what was considered of interest to its readership (those that could afford to purchase a daily newspaper and were literate) across the country. Newspapers in 1819 covered large areas usually whole if not more counties. It was not until the tax on paper was lifted that you start to get truly local newspapers at prices more ordinary people could afford and therefore a wider coverage of local news that would interest them.

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/England_Newspapers

If he did kill himself then the likelihood is the Coroner's jury brought in a verdict of whilst of unsound mind. It was not until 1823 that sucides who killed themselves whilst of 'sound mind' - felo de se' where allowed burial in a churchyard (but without the burial service). Their property was forfeit to the Crown as they had committed a felony.

see the end section of this topic for further information on suicides and burial.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403485.30.html

Coroners papers have a poor survival rate in general but something may be held at the London Metropolitan Archives which is perhaps where the information came from.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403485.30.html


The exact reference to the Coroner's papers held at the LMA

St Mary, Whitechapel: Charles Thurston Stanley: Stabbed himself while 'lunatic'  MJ/SPC/E/0670  [n.d.]

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=074-mj_2-18a&cid=1-1-196&kw=brown%20collison#1-1-196


Regards

Valda

[kellysmith1976]

Oh Thank you so very much...

Do you know how i go about ordering a copy of the inquest?.. Is there a form or something to fill in?.. Sorry if im being daft..

Would it say much in the inquest?.. Thanks again...

[stanmapstone]

Under the Home Office Circular 250/1967, a schedule of destruction of coroners records is laid down. While they are within the definition of public records and open to the public after 75 years many will not have survived those 75 years. Once 15 years old the records can be weeded,' that is destroyed or sampled by the individual coroner concerned. There are exceptions to the 15 year destruction, and apparently it is not compulsory so some coroners choose not to destroy them. Therefore individual Coroners decide what happens to the papers, but very many of them were destroyed by the coroner anyway, hence there are regional variations in survival. It is a simple enough matter to enquire at the appropriate county record office, which will almost certainly know what is available and where it is.
See http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/coroners/records.html about coroner's records
From the nineteenth century a newspaper report is more likely to be the only surviving account.

Stan

[kellysmith1976]

Oh Ok thank you for that...
Ill have a read through the links....

I was hoping it may tell me something else.. I am back no further than him.. I dont know where he was born or who his parents were...