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Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« on: Sunday 08 May 05 17:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I am trying to trace the family history of my late father THOMAS FRANCIS JACKSON said to have been born 20 April 1908 in Melton Mowbray. I am new to genealogy so please be gentle! My father was the illegitimate son of CHARLOTTE SERAPIS SOADY JACKSON who was born circa 1869 on HMS troopship Serapis. She died on 2nd Feb 1940 in Nottingham. My father had a sister (half-sister?), also illegitimate, called ELIZABETH HELEN BUCKENHAM nee JACKSON  (UPDATE - LOCATED AS ELIZABETH ELLEN AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE SENT FOR) said to have been born in Melton Mowbray  on 23 November 1891 (although I can find no record of her birth).

Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson's parents were THOMAS JACKSON born in Harston circa 1846 and CHARLOTTE ? born in ST.  HELIER JERSEY circa 1843.  Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson had an older brother called CHARLES EDW. LIDDELL JACKSON born in Portsmouth circa 1863. I did wonder whether Charlotte's maiden name might be LIDDELL or SOADY, the third names given to her son and daughter respectively as these do not sound like conventional forenames. Of course, this could be a total red herring. I should like to find out Charlotte's maiden name and wondered if you could offer any assistance in this endeavour please.

Charlotte from St Helier seems to have died (less likely divorced) sometime between 1881 and 1890. In the 1881 census she is living with her family at 101 Park Street Lenton Nottingham. She is 38, a laundress and they have three boarders in their house, all railwaymen. Her husband Thomas is a drayman. However, by the 1891 census Thomas has a new wife ANNIE ? and a young son called  JOHN WILLIAM and they are living at 19 Main Street in the village of Eastwell in Leicestershire. Ten years later, they have moved to a farm in Goadby Marwood and have another child called LILY JACKSON.

Thank you for any assistance you are able to offer me in this search.
Colin Jackson
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I was a little confused myself by the place of birth of Thomas Jackson. The 1881 census has him living with Charlotte C. and his two children and three boarders at 101 Park street Lenton Nottm and says his birthplace was Hants Harston. The 1891 census has his birthplace as Leicestershire Harston and the 1901 census (looks like Leicester) Harston. As far as I know, there is no Harston in Hampshire but there is a place called Harston in both Leicestershire and Cambridgeshire. Although I can find no place called Harston in Hants., there is a Hampshire connection because Thomas Jackson and Charlotte C 's first child Charles Edw. Liddell Jackson was born in Portsmouth. Also, there second child Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson was born on HMS Serapis a troopship which was at times in 1863 in Portsmouth. In fact, this troopship was loaned by the Navy to the government in April / May 1863 to carry emigrants to Quebec Canada. Most of these  emigrants were unemployed Portsmouth dock workers. I am trying to obtain the passenger list for this voyage as I suspect the family may have emigrated but then returned to UK later ... and, of course, then showed on the 1881 census. ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO FIND THE INDEX OF THE BIRTH OF SOMEONE BORN AT SEA IN ORDER THAT I CAN ORDER THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 May 05 17:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin !

This is the 1861 census

William Jackson head age 58 born Harston Leics
Elizabeth           wife  age 42 Marston Lincoln
Ellen            daughter age 18 Harston Leics
Thomas               son age 15 Harston Leics
Mary   Granddaughter age 6 mths Harston Leics
James Bell Son in law  age20 Marston Lincoln
Sam Bell Son in law     age 18 Harston Leics

I need to get you the address and census info  I'll post it with the other Thomas Jackson I found OK?

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 May 05 17:27 BST (UK) »

Colin

I just sent you some images let me know what you think -  can you sort them out ????
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 May 05 17:41 BST (UK) »
Colin
Just for a change of pace found a picture of Serapis

http://www.barnardf.demon.co.uk/pictures/jumna.htm

Enjoy!
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 May 05 17:56 BST (UK) »
Hi, now see that the HMS Serapis image was via a link... it is the same image  I referred to with the famous Dreadnought in front of it. Thanks.

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 May 05 18:06 BST (UK) »

Colin

What's funny is -  that Ellen the daughter -  is transcribed on the census as ELLEN JACKSON not BELL.................... !!

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 May 05 18:28 BST (UK) »
It is odd James Bell son-in-law was born in Marston Lincs where William's wife was born but the other son-in-law, Sam Bell was born in Harston Leicestershire where husband William Jackson was born.  Actually, these two villages are about 8 miles apart, although in different counties. If Ellen is still called JACKSON it suggests that she wasn't married at that point but if either James or Sam was her partner, son-in-law was a courtesy title! And if the granddaughter, Mary was her child then yet another illegitimate child in the family!
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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 May 05 18:34 BST (UK) »


Boy Colin!!

Your family must be "Goers" - don't forget there was no TV !!!!!!
But isn't this exciting - better than any book I reckon...!!!!!!!

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Re: Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 May 05 18:47 BST (UK) »
OK heres 1881

101 Park St Lenton Nottingham

Thomas Jackson 35 Drayman
Charlotte Jackson 38 Laundress
Chas Edw Liddell Jackson 18 First hand lace maker
Charlotte SS Jackson 13 scholar

Everything is the same as you had it Places of birth and stuff But  added tidbits are as follows

Charlotte SS Jackson is listed as " Lame "

also have 3 boarders
Thomas Wm Emms age 25 Porter at Midland Railway b, Aston Magna Notts
George Heartop        age 18 clerk         "'       "           b. Ampthill
Wm Scull                  age 21 Porter       "        "           b. Gloucester


Thought you might be interested - the boarders could turn out to be family.....!

Annie
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