James Dean

[alanfrank]

i,m trying to move on from James Dean,born around 1800 in Chapel-en-le-Frith. his mothers name is Ann . Derbyshire records show him as illegitamate. I have been down the Poor Releif route but to no avail.  I have a marriage cert for his son Francis, who married Ann Rowbotham in 1850.in what looks like Sutton in Chester.  Can anyone help ?

[kovel]

Hi,

Francis Dean married Ann Rowbotham 30th June 1850, church, St George, Sutton (near Macclesfield), Cheshire. Father James Dean, Bride Father Thomas Rowbotham.
Regards.

[kovel]

Hi,
Francis Dean christening 16 Jan 1831
St Michael, Macclesfield, Chesire,
Father James Dean
Mother Margaret Dean.

1851
 James Dean 51 Master Plasterer born Chaple En Le Frith
Margaret Dean 53 born Rainow Cheshire
Francis 1830
Mathew 1834
Margaret 1835
Elizabeth 1840

maybe your Francis
Regards.

[Derbysderek]

I was trying to get back to a thread on George Dean and found this one...........what makes you think that James Dean was illegitimate??

Your family were born at Mellor..next village to Chapel en le Frith.

James Dean married Ann Stafford at GLOSSOP 07.04.1795

They had the following children at Mellor (lived at Chapel en le frith)

GEORGE DEAN 17.08.1801
JAMES DEAN 08.06.1802
JOSEPH DEAN 19.03.1804..........

..so if you're the same guy who was looking for George..you've now found them both..they were brothers..and both link up very nicely with the later history you have got.

Derek.

[alanfrank]

First of all so many apologies for not getting back to this a lot sooner, particulary to Kovel.  We are singing  from the same sheet, he,s my man. What,s driving me absolutely loopy is ,he,s living with either Margaret or Elizabeth when he dies at the age of 86, see the 1881 census, which makes him born in 1795, could he be six years out on his age ?  The place of birth is no problem, it,s the year.   For me to move the tree on i need his baptism, which of course gives me his parents   Anyway thankyou for your help, and if there,s anyone else who can assist i would be very grateful                 .     

[suzard]

the 1851 census  has James Dean's age transcribed as 51 and p.o.b. as Chapel en le Frith Cheshire - this is not how  the image reads - I will post the census with reference and my  transcription from the image
Crompton Rd Macclesfield Cheshire
James Dean Head M 57 Master Plasterer Chapel en le frith Derbys
Margaret wife M 53 Rainow Cheshire
Frances daughter S 21 Hand Loom weaver silk Rainow Cheshire
Matthew son S 17 Silk  Mill Piecer Rainow Cheshire
Margaret daughter 16 Silk Piecer Rainow Cheshire
Elizabeth daughter 10 scholar Macclesfield Cheshire
William Leigh son in law M 26 Hand Loom Weaver silk Knutsford Cheshire
Sarah Ann Leigh daughter M 23 Silk Warper Rainow Cheshire
William Leigh grandson 2 macclesfield Cheshire
HO107 2160 499 44

1851 it is Frances daughter who is with the family - not Francis -son
1841 Frances is entered as Fanny

1841
Rope Walk Macclesfield Cheshire
James dean 40 Silk Steward??? no
Margaret 40 yes
Sarah 13 soft silk yes
Fanny 11 Shirring yes
Francis 10 (male) yes
Matthew 8 yes
Margaret 5 yes
Elizabeth 8mths yes
HO107 131 7 10 15

Hope this helps in some way


Suz

[alanfrank]

Hello. Many thanks Suzard for your reply . I do have the same info as you except for some minor bits . I have James as a painter and decorater, so being a plasterer would,nt be much of a leap, and the age is about right, i have born 1795. Did you read my previous post about a marriage cert that i have, that was causing me some greif.  On it he did marry Margaret on 14th Oct 1827 in Prestbury, but  it says he,s from Rainow and he,s a cotton spinner. Which makes him 33 yrs old.  The question was have i got the right James on this marriage cert ? 

[suzard]

I do think you have the correct person

1841 has him working in the silk industry - by 1851 he had a change of career - master plasterer- not unusual to change jobs -especially during 10years.-in later census he is a painter & decorator.

What you have won't be a marriage certificate as we know it - they didn't start until Sept qtr 1837 - before that we rely on Parish entries

At that time the entries from the parish register don't show parents - the place he is stated to be "from" is the place where he was living - not necessarily the same as the place where he was born.

Rainow was his bride's p.o.b. - but they were probably living there at time of marriage.

On certificates 1837 onwards - up to present day a residential address is usually given - but not the p.o.b.

I would say you have the correct James

Suz
 

[alanfrank]

Hiya Suz   Many thanks for your time and effort, i shall plod on with what i have,  Alan