Robinson Liskeyborough/Richhill, Armagh

[tamus121]

I am trying to find the parent's of my G. Grandfather George Robinson b. abt 1865 d. Aug 1940 buried in Kilmore COI but no head stone. In 1886 he married Jane Long b abt 1866 d. 6 May 1936 buried in Richhill Presbyterian.

My G Grandparents lived in the Hockley and then the Cloughan areas of Richhill, Armagh and family relations had ties with Liskeyborough as well. But it is not certain where my G G granparents lived. In the 1901 census George, Jane & family are recorded as congregationalists which had a meeting place in Richhill at that time.

My mother remembers a man of the name "Cornwall" visiting aprox 1940 who she remembers being told was a relation and about some connection to USA. I found a Mary Ann Robinson b. Mar 1845 in Liskeyborough Armagh who married William Cornwell in 1866 and some of their family moved to Salt Lake city. Mary Ann Robinson's father was George Robinson b. 1821 and her mother was Sarah Ann Johnston b. 1823. These could possibly be my G G grand parents but I think more likely that there is a generation between.

Most grateful if anyone could provide any details or suggestions that would help to find the details needed.

[aghadowey]

George Robinson's mariage certificate should list his father's name and occupation.

Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there's a chance that George was born before the start of birth registration which mean you'd need to search for church records.

[tamus121]

Up to now I can't find details of his marriage. The birth date and marriage date are from details in 1901/11 census. One place worth investigating for this record might be Richill Presbyterian church records as they may have been married there.

As a long shot does anyone know anything about possible records for the Richhill Congregationalists?

[Elwyn Soutter]

The marriage of George Henry Robinson and Jane Long is registered in Armagh City Oct – Dec 1886, Volume 1, page 91. If you get a copy of that it should give you the couples fathers, fathers occupations, and the couples townlands (addresses) at that time all of which may help you take the research back a generation.

[tamus121]

Thanks for the info Elwyn. I knew that there was a George Henry Robinson had got married in 1886 - Reg in Armagh but the LDS web pages don't give the brides name in this case and I couldn't any other indication of Henry being a middle name.

I spoke to Armagh Reg office about it anyway but they say they have no record of this in their index but I have ordered a search with the General Reg Office in Belfast just to see.

Can you tell me where you found this info giving the groom and brides name also what does Vol 1 page 91 mean as the guy on the phone said it meant nothing. thanks

[Elwyn Soutter]

I found the marriage on the LDS site. What you have to do is note the place, year, quarter (if given), volume and page number, and then search for a matching entry for the spouse. There are several ways of doing that, either by searching with the full name (which you evidently have) or searching on forename only, or by using the search facility on this other site, where you can search by year, quarter, location and page number (but no name):

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2572

The reference to the volume & page number is the Volume and page number of the Register that the marriage was recorded in, by the Registrar. It’s therefore a bit surprising that the person you spoke to at Armagh Registry office was apparently unfamiliar with that, but there you go. If you can quote the place, year, (quarter if one is given), volume and page number when ordering certificates you generally get a reduced fee (as it takes them straight to the correct entry). You can order a copy of the certificate from GRONI in Belfast but a cheaper option, in my opinion, is to order a photocopy from GRO Roscommon. Provided you quote the place, year, Volume & page number clearly on the application form, they generally only charge €4 for a photocopy. It takes about 7 to 10 days from when they receive the order. You have to fax or post your order in., You cannot order a photocopy on line. However you can download the application form from their website. www.groireland.ie/ Or if GRONI already have the enquiry in hand, I'd give them the location details referred to above, as there may be a reduced fee.

[tamus121]

thanks very much for your helpfull suggestions

I have asked the General Reg Office in Belfast for a search. It was the guy on the phone at this office that had no idea what the vol or page meant. He just offered to do the search including two years on either side of the year that I new was relevant and that I needed to pay!

I also asked him if these records would be at the PRONI office but he said that he didn't know. So I not sure if I got someone new to the job or someone that didn't care about the job but I will remember your advice for the next time

[Elwyn Soutter]

If you don’t know where the marriage took place, then it would not be possible to say whether PRONI have a copy. And you wouldn’t be able to search for it there without knowing the church.

1.   PRONI don’t have all marriage records. For example they don’t have any registry office marriages, nor those for churches which have declined to let their records be copied, or churches whose records are lost. Even where PRONI do have records they are usually not for the same period as GRONI’s records. As an example, for Armagh 3rd Presbyterian church, PRONI have marriages from 1838 – 1901, whereas GRONI’s records will be for 1.4.1845 – 2011.
2.   You need to know where the ceremony took place. If you don’t know that there’s no easy way of finding it at PRONI. So your easiest option is to get it from GRONI or GRO Roscommon.

[tamus121]

I got a reply from GRONI today and they have stated that for the period 1884-1888 the search was inclusive but with a blank space on the page. Seems strange to me if we know it has been recorded with vol and page numbers.

Should I try Roscommon or will they just be the same?