Mary Ann Hickman

[gillianR]

Hi Folks
Hoping you can help again:)

I have this baptism for Mary Hickman, and I have proof that she was illegitimate:
Baptism from Familysearch.org
Mary Hickman
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
 christening: 08 Jun 1817 SAINT LAWRENCE,?DARLASTON NEAR WOLVERHAMPTON,?STAFFORD,?ENGLAND
residence:  Stafford,? England
 parents: Sarah Hickman
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Her mother's maiden name was Stanley, and she married Samuel Bartingale in 1842 Walsall. (He died 1943)

Sarah Stanley married George Hickman in 1810 Staffordshire.
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Mary is on the 1841 Age 20 with her mother Sarah age 65.
This tells me she was born in 1821
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But, if she was baptised in 1817, she could not have been born in 1821:(

I cannot find Mary Ann on any of the census returns, either in the name of Hickman(s) or Bartingale or even Stanley.

Can anyone please help?

Regards
Gillianr

[lizdb]

If Sarah Stanley married George Hickman in 1810, and then daughter MAry Hickman was born in 1817 (or at least christened then) it does not look as if she was illegitimate.

Ages on 1841 census are rounded, usually down to the nearest 5 years.

[keyboard86]

Hi Gillian, same reply as lizdb:-

In 1841 a policy of "Rounding Down" ages was in place ie:-

Ages 15 to 19 = 15
        20 to 24 =  20
        25 to 29 = 25
        30 to 34 = 30
        35 to 39 = 35

This did not always occur, but was in place!
Keyboard86
       

[lizdb]

, and she married Samuel Bartingale in 1842 Walsall. (He died 1943)

Do you mean 1843? (otherwise married for over 100 yrs!)

So she was widowed, or may have remarried, by 1851 census

[gillianR]

Hi Folks
Sorry about this,
Yes, Samuel died in 1843 - typing error:(
I do agree with you that it does not look as though Mary Ann was born illegtimately, yet this same relation has sent me a copy of the baptism folomized? in the Parish of Darleston, Staffs in the year 1817 and the address was Cock Street, and she is definitely down as illegtimate. I am wondering if this relation has got the wrong person. I have written to him but no reply as yet.

I was told that the ages on 1841 were rounded down, so I accepted that her age on that census was 20, but even if that is the case, making her really 15, then her birth year becomes 1826, again, after this baptism date of 1817.

There sure is something wrong somewhere.

So, I am back to trying to find either another marriage or finding her on the 1851 etc. so perhaps you could help me on that score:)


Once again, sorry about the cock up, and giving you unneccesary work.


Regards
Gillianr

[lizdb]

MAry is shown as aged 20 on 1841.
Therefore she could have been 23/24 (birth 1817) and the age rounded down to 20 on the census.

As you say the christening may be another person.
Or maybe Mr Hickman had died before Mary Ann came along and the vicar knew jolly well he couldnt be the father, so noted her as illegitimate in the register.
Worth looking a for a death of George Hickman after the marriage (1810) and before Mary's conception (1816/17ish)

When MAry ANn marries in 1842,  does she name a father on her marriage cert?

[gillianR]

Hi Lizdb

My relation has given me George Hickman's death POSS 1833, so he does not seem to know much:(
but I will see if I can find another death somewhere.

At the moment I do not have the marriage cert for Mary Ann and Samuel,
but it will be worth getting just to prove SOMETHING?

I have just checked Free Reg, my own NBI c.d.'s, Familysearch, and cannot find another death for George between 1810/1817. I cannot even find the death for 1833, so where he got that from, I don't know.

I will have to wait and see if my relation gives me anymore info.
Thanks for your help. Will get back to you, as I am indeed going to send for that marriage certificate.

Regards
Gillianr