Jolly Forgeman Inn, Newbridge

[JamesDMcBust]

Morgan
Thank you for your thoughts.  I think the best step forward is to order Elsie's birth certificate and take it from there.

I don't suppose Slater's directory shows locations of the public houses on a map and/or old photographs.  I think I may have taken this line as far as it will go.

James 

[Morganllan]

Hello James 

Slater's does not give locations, but if you can find the places on the census it will give an indication of location.

Here's a site, you'll like - Public Houses in Newbridge! 

http://plaskynastoncanalgroup.org/cefn-mawr/newbridge-ll14-3bj/

The Masons Arms is now called the Newbridge Arms, and the Black Lion and Royal Oak are still there. If you search on the name and postcodes you will see the location.

Cheers!
Morgan

[Gadget]

Hi James, Morgan and WR 


I'm late to this despite having a good look a few days ago.

Like you, Morgan, I  found it listed as Jolly Bank but for the life of me I can't find Jolly Bank on any maps so far    I assume that it's in/behind the big bend on the road before it goes down to the 'new bridge'  proper.

The nearest that I can get on any map is in the broad area indicated by the arrow:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ipw/

As you two (M & WR) know, I'm from that broad area but I can't recall Jolly Bank at all. It was/is pretty steep around there though - I recall enjoying being on the upstairs front seat of the Crosville bus when it went down Newbridge hill - woosh  (I took up flying later on!) 
 

gnu

[Morganllan]

Hello Gnu

Thought the talk of pubs in the area would attract your attention!   

Acc to go*gle, Jolly Bank is in the area of Middle Street, Cross St, and Short Lane. There are 3 properties listed as Jolly Bank, Cross St, Newbridge, LL14 3JJ on a certain house sale site.

Best wishes
Morgan

[JamesDMcBust]

Good morning Gnu and Morgan
All this talk of pubs is giving me ideas as it's lunchtime......
I was just about to order the birth certificate for Elsie Evans to see whether it gave any clue to her actual birthplace..... and I thought I had better double check whether I had already done this before (it's a few years since I started on this journey) and lo and behold there was the birth certificate in the file and I NOW REMEMBER WHERE I GOT THIS INFORMATION FROM! The cert says she was born 10 Apr 1903 at the Jolly Forgeman Inn, Newbridge, Cefn and it clearly states her father was the Inn keeper of the Jolly Forgeman.  So he must have been the inn keeper for a short period (couple of years), during which time both Elsie and her brother William Stanley were born.  It's a shame the pub isn't still around as it would have been nice to pay it a visit.
Happy Christmas to you both - I'll put this line of enquiry to bed now.
James

[Morganllan]

Happy Christmas James 

Plenty of other pubs in Newbridge if you're ever in the area!

[Gadget]

 

Morgan - Now you're casting nasturtiums - I never went into any of the local pubs - M & D wouldn't have approved as Dad was a Recobite    

Just looked on Google maps for Cross Street and it's more or less where I indicated!

After finding WR's Buck Inn this morning, I thought I'd have another look for this one Jolly Bank!


gnu


Happy Christmas James and M

[wilcoxon]

COUNTY MAGISTRATES' COURT .
The Wrexham Advertiser,, February 04, 1893
A Richard Evans late landlord of the Jolly Forgeman Inn, Cefn Bychan was charged with two offences,  of being drunk on his own premises and being drunk on the highway. When PC Harvey went to serve the summons, he found the defendant drunk in a pigsty, he later absconded.
 ( Edited version )

Seems it was there for quite a while
The Wrexham Advertiser March 06, 1869;
Jolly Forgeman, Cefn Bychan , the  licence was transferred from Thomas Randles to William Jones.

[JamesDMcBust]

Morning All
Thank you and how very interesting.  I hadn't been sure exactley who our William Evans' parents were but now another link with the Jolly Forgeman makes Richard and Hannah Evans the most probable parents. So we might have an ancestor who liked a tipple - perhaps he shouldn't have been running a pub! It would certainly enforce the thought William would have been familar with this particular pub.

So if I assume the Richard charged with being drunk etc is our man, I am now looking more closely at his family. The 1881 census shows Richard married his first wife Hannah (both born Hope) and had children Evan 1865, Edward 1871, Sarah 1873 and William H 1875 (possible lost a child between 1865 and 1871?). Then, the 1891 census has Richard married to Jane (born Llangollen). In addition to the above children there are now Thomas 1874 (step son), Jane 1880 (guessing Richard and Jane married just prior to this), Mary 1884, Frances 1886 and Eliza 1889. It states Thomas (stepson 1874) and Jane (dau 1880) were both born in Bradford, Yorkshire. And this is what is puzzling me - if Jane (mother) was born in Llangollen, where is the connection to Bradford, Yorkshire?  I'm presuming that Thomas was her son by other marriage and the fact that both Thomas and dau Jane were born in Yorkshire might suggest the family were all living there for a while, but the 1881 census shows Richard, Hannah and 4 children living in Brymbo - gen labourer and farmer of 11 acres.  I can't work this one out.  Any suggestions?