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GRO We told you so
« on: Wednesday 28 December 11 13:34 GMT (UK) »
Accounts for the 2010/11 year were published showing that the GRO's income from certificate sales hadn't increased to reflect the 32% increase in prices - it had actually fallen by 6.1%, even though tens of thousands of certificates were ordered just before the end of the year to beat the price increase and were not despatched until the new financial year. The revenue from those last minute sales is recorded in the 2010/11 accounts - without it the figures would have looked even worse.

Actual sales were just £15.894 million instead of the predicted £18.846 million, 16% lower than forecast..
In 2009/10 before the price hike the GRO made profits of over £2 million and in 2010/11 they lost £0.5 million

The latest shocking (not) news from the GRO is that Southport office is making 27 staff redundant as a result of these falling orders. Maybe they should have listened to the people who matter, their customers, who forecast this outcome and lets hope they dont turn this into even more of a fiasco and put prices up even more in reaction to the low sales making matters worse for everyone.

Local Southport Newspaper

Redundancies announced at the General Register Office (GRO), Southport

Southport’s biggest employer The General Register Office in Birkdale have informed staff that there will be redundancies in the near future.

A spokesperson for the General Register Office said:

•   The IPS is launching a consultation on efficiency measures to reduce staff in the civil registration part of our business by 27 posts.

•   Committed to providing more value for money to the taxpayer at a time of falling demand for life event certificates.

•   Proposing to launch a voluntary early release programme and will do everything we can to avoid compulsory redundancies.



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Re: GRO We told you so
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Looks like people power.Maybe they will rethink the greed of 2010/11 ;D ;D
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Re: GRO We told you so
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 15:31 GMT (UK) »
With everyone tightening their belts in the recession - the number of certificates ordered would probably have gone down anyway.  The question is by how much - and if the price rise made it so much worse it increased the losses.

If by putting the price up they have reduced demand - which means they can then lose some staff....  those savings need to be counted too.

Shame it is not just numbers but real people's jobs :(


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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 15:37 GMT (UK) »
This mad slashing carnage is set to extend across the whole economy. Absolute madness, it won't solve anything it's the entire system that has gone belly up!!
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 15:42 GMT (UK) »
I do feel sorry for the loss of jobs.  Why does everything have to go up in the first place.  They have these facts and if people were willing to pay £7 which is a reasonable price then why put it up.
If they have a sale everyone will go for it, if they have a price hike then people stand off from it, you would think they would have learned by now.
Mind you if you are a millionaire, £100 doesnt seem bad for a box of tissues does it???

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 17:16 GMT (UK) »
... if you are a millionaire, £100 doesnt seem bad for a box of tissues does it???

Not sure about that; they don't get rich by throwing their money around, you know ;)

I'm fortunate in having ordered most of my certificates before the increase. I would certainly not buy so many at today's price, especially since many more scans of parish registers are available online now with the same information.

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 17:51 GMT (UK) »

Can't say I'm surprised.   ::)


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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 18:20 GMT (UK) »
Presumably, people still continued to buy birth, death and marriage certificates concerning their own immediate family during 2010/2011, since these are needed for various official reasons, but the overwhelming bulk of these will have been bought from their local registrars.

It's my guess that most of the certificates bought from the GRO were of the historical kind, i.e. family history related.

If that is so, it appears that the GRO has milked the cash cow of our hobby dry. This is a tax on our own data, and events seem to support the theory that increasing taxes reduces revenues.

What's the betting that some of those responsible for the decision to ramp up the prices will take advantage of the 'voluntary early release programme' to pocket a nice lump of redundancy cash before moving on to someone else's profitable business? Nothing like a quick profit after all.

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 20:55 GMT (UK) »
I have been pondering the subject of BMD certificates for some time. Certificates are not Inelastic. They do suffer from price hikes but more to the point is that in this day the Internet has somewhat decreased the need for them. My genealogical specialty is County Durham. Here is an example from an Australian newspaper in 1940 - on the Internet - no subscription!

1940: Christmas Day Diamond Jubilee, Mr. and Mrs. G. Wood. CONGRATULATIONS as well as Christmas wishes will be extended tomorrow to Mr. and Mrs. George Wood, who will celebrate their diamond jubilee with a family reunion at their home, Nicky Nack, Victoria Street, Bulimba {Brisbane}. They were married on December 25, 1880, by the late Rev. J. Crennel at St. Andrew's Church of England, West Stanley, Durham (England). Both are natives of Durham.

They must have had their marriage certificate with them at the time of the newspaper interview. They still had some affection for the Mother Country - Nicky Nack was near Seaham Harbour, County Durham.

And another from Austalia. WOOD - {died} On the 26th June {1895), at the  residence of his eldest son, Hollister Avenue, Scranton, Pa., U.S., Roger Wood, late Major of H.M. Imperial Service, organiser of Seaham Harbour Volunteer Artillery, and father of J. W. Wood, Greenbank, Nundah {Brisbane}, aged 78  years.

Without the Internet no one would have known of his death in America (no national census survives from 1881-1899) and death certificates for Roger Wood in England would have been wasted.

BMD Certificates are being bypassed not by the years but by the week. Yes I miss the cart horses, yes I miss walking up the platform to the locomotive and lifting my cap to the driver or the fireman whoever was leaning out of the cab, but those days are largely gone and the excessively priced Certificate will one day be nearly gone too.