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Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« on: Monday 02 January 12 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I wonder if some kind person would look on the rolls of the Royal Irish Constabulary for my relation William Henry ROOTS (b. 7.9.1894, d. 1983)?  I've another thread where this query started but originally I thought the family story of someone serving in the Irish Civil war related to his father.  It now appears more likely to be his son William Henry ROOTS who was the soldier.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=573451.new#new

I hope I've posted this in the right place - I couldn't find a specific board for look up requests.

Many thanks for reading
Heather
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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 January 12 20:01 GMT (UK) »
There's an index to RIC men on Ancestry which gives to the service number, also sometimes joining date, age etc. The service records were filmed by LDS and believe may be ordered through one of their libraries.

Several other locations have copies of these films.

I'm not sure if Auxillaries and Black and Tans are included...



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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 January 12 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Heather
I checked for William Henry Roots on the Ancestry RIC 1816 - 1921 database and nothing even close. However, they say that their database is a 'work in progress' and the complete index is available from an LDS Family History Centre, Microfilm - Ref:0852088-97-0856057-2069.
I don't know if you have access to the WW1 records that were referenced on your other thread, but on the letter from The Ministry of Pensions in 1919 I see the word 'Discharge' is crossed out each time and 'Trans' written in above - so certainly looks as if he stayed within the army. Possibly signed up to the RASC Reserves and was called up again ?
Interestingly, they also note that he is 20% disabled due to Malaria.

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 January 12 18:03 GMT (UK) »
I have a copy of Jim Herlihy's book listing all RIC service numbers. I'll look Wm Roots up in it early next week.
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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 January 12 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for your replies Shane, Adee and Elwyn! 

Shane, I'm sorry I've not responded to your post before, I don't think I can have received a notification.  I shall have a look on Ancestry as you suggest  :)

Adee, yes I do have access to Ancestry and have looked again at his WW1 records.  Thanks for pointing out that 'Discharge' is replaced by 'Trans' each time - I'd not noticed that before.  The reference to malaria is interesting too, this man was my great uncle and I remember him from my childhood but was never aware that he had malaria.  I shall have to ask my father if he knew.    :)

Elwyn, that's very kind of you to check Jim Herlihy's book, I await your reply with anticipation  :)

Best wishes, Heather
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Heather,

There’s only 1 William Roots listed in Jim Herlihy’s book. His service number was 82539 which was issued between 11.5.1921 and 31.8.1922 (the final batch of numbers).

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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that Elwyn, the dates could fit for my William Roots.  Is there anywhere I can now look up his records using that service number?

Heather
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 21:04 GMT (UK) »
As I understand it, the originals of the records are in TNA at Kew, a set of copies is also held in Dublin (In the National Library, I think), and the PSNI museum also has a set. They should look them out for you but according to their website there is a £25 fee. http://www.psni.police.uk/index/about-us/police_museum/museum_genealogy.htm
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Re: Royal Irish Constabulary look up please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 January 12 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Elwyn  :)  I'm in London Thursday this week and might get a chance to pop to Kew  ;D

Appreciate your help
Heather
Rassell - South Hayling/Portsea/Chelsea,  Hellyer - Totnes/Islington,  Roots - Hackney,  Edden - St Pancras