Western Australia - George CHURCH - Ernestina CHURCH

[debrao]

My great grandmother was Ernestina Church. She was born in Northam, Western Australia in 1880 and married Daniel Rule in Northam in 1898. They had a number of children including my grandmother Gladys Ernestina Rule who was born in 1907.

Ernestina Church (Rule) died in 1919. My grandmother Gladys was sent to live with her Grandpa George Church in the Pinjarra/Coolup area. I have found records of George and Jane Church (nee Moore) in Coolup but they were married in 1903. There are therefore unlikely to be Ernestina Church's parents even though the name and residence is a match. In addition, Jane Church died in 1956 aged 90 which would make her only 14 when Ernestina was born in 1880.

Pinjarra cemetary has a record of a John Church (buried 15/9/1937 aged 86) and a Jane Church (buried 29/8/1956 aged 90). This Jane appears to be one and the same as the Jane Moore who married George Church. I do not know how John and Jane were related but they appear to be buried in the same grave.

I wondered if George had a first wife who may have been Ernestina's mother and did find a record of a George William Church (born in South Australia in 1950) marrying a Mary Elizabeth Meyers in Victoria in 1871 and them having 10 children including an Ernestina born in Victoria in 1880.  However, this Mary seems to have lived until 1926 and there is no record of a divorce from George or of any of the 10 children, other than Ernestina living in Western Australia.  Other family trees also list her as remarrying a Mr Barr in 1900 after George supposedly died.  This is all very confusing.

Can anyone help me identify the parents of Ernestina Church?
 
Thanks very much

[johngirl]

This could be your John Church.

There is a death notice for a George Church who died 13th September 1937 at Coolup aged 87.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38693800

  Johngirl

[cando]

She was born in Northam, Western Australia in 1880 and married Daniel Rule in Northam in 1898.

This marriage certificate should give you her father's name and his occupation.
Information on all certificates in WA
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

There is no birth registration for Ernestina in WA.  What evidence do you have that Ernestina was born 1880 at Northam in WA?  

Are her parents named on her death cert....although she died 1919 her death was registered in 1920.

Daniel's funeral notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ja6/

Cheers
Cando

[debrao]

Thanks for the responses.  I agree that the "John" Church buried with Jane is probaby George and that the cemetary records are simply wrong. 

On checking, I have no evidence that Ernestina Church was born in Northam.  I know she was married there and died there as I have records of those events, but no record of her birth.  I also know that Electoral Rolls show that she and Daniel lived in Coolup in 1903.  I have ordered a copy of Daniel and Ernestina's marriage certificate but the Christmas/New Year period means that it is still coming.

I still don't know how the Ernestina Church born in 1880 in Victoria to Mary Elizabeth Meyer and George William Church fits although it seems that George Church of Coolup was also born in or around 1850.

[cando]

This may be Ernestina's b. 1880 Victoria, death in Queensland.  I can't see a daughter Elizabeth born to this couple.

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
1950/C5394   s
URQUHART Elizabeth Ernestina     
Father George Church  Mother Elizabeth Meyers

Cando

[debrao]

Thanks Cando.  I think that settles it that George William Church and Mary Elizabeth Meyers are not Ernestina Church Rule's parents given that their Ernestina (or Elizabeth Ernestina) married an Urquhart and died in QLD in 1950. The name is a bit of a mystery though as I have the full record of Ernestina's (Church/Meyers) birth and she is just listed as Ernestina not Elizabeth Ernestina.

In any event, my Ernestina Church married Daniel Rule in 1898 in Northam WA and died there in 1919.  The death notice of George W Church of Coolup WA makes it even more confusing though because his middle name could also be William and he too was born around 1950 as was the George William Church who married Mary Elizabeth Meyers.

I'm told that I won't be receiving Daniel and Ernestina's marriage certificate for at least a week so any help in the meantime would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[cando]

No mystery really.  Not unusual to have a 2nd given name not on the birth certificate.  As someone said to me many moons ago....just remember genealogy is not an exact science

When you say you have the full record do you mean you have the birth certificate or simply the index entry?

Cando

[debrao]

I have an image of her birth record which I paid to obtain from the Victoria BDM.  It lists parents, their birthplaces and occupations and any siblings etc. 

[Rhonda May]

Hi debrao

The URQUHART marriage was in 1891.
Reg #2121
Bride: Elizth CHURCH

URQUHART children born in VIC were recorded in 1892, 1893, 1895 with mother Elizabeth CHURCH.

Definitely not Ernestina who married Robert URQUHART.

Rhonda