Sr Nicholas Luke of Cople

[GregL]

Hi David,

I agree with you in your conclusions. There are a number of huge leaps made in the trees.

If the 15 year old son of the local lord made a girl pregnant, so what?

The online trees suggest that John who married in Cornwall had a son Nicholas in 1596 at St Just in Roseland. The trees ignore an earlier son Mychell (bap 1592), plus later children Phillip, Margaret, Martin, Jone, and Dyonis all in St Just. The marriage of John and Ellinor occured in Kilkhampton, a very long way from St Just. Why would they travel all that way back and forth?

The trees then suggest the son Nicholas moved to Redruth and had a family. However there is a much better match for him in St Just with a local girl and a family there. I have been unable to get any evidence other than the name Nicholas from the people who setup the online trees to support their ideas.

In addition I notice from the list of Sr Nicholas' children you supplied that there were 9 (plus John = 10) in all. Only Oliver, the second Thomas, Ann, Judeth and Catherine were mentined in the WILL. John, Agnes, Isabel, Thomas and Elizabeth, were not, but they don't appear in the burial records that Bunnygirl sent through in a later reply to your last. I wonder why?

If you are interetsed in the Will of Sir Nicholas I found it in the Virginia Magazine of History & Biography Vol 26. I downlaoded a PDF but now cant access the site again. I could send you a copy through private mail if you are interested.

Thanks again.

GregL




 

[GregL]

Hi Bunnygirl,

Thank you for the details. Firstly I haven't seen the notes on the Luke family from the Parish Register and would be very interested to see them. Are they available online anywhere?
Regarding the burials, I suppose you may have seen the correspondence between David and I. The missing burials for 5 of the children of Sir Nicholas and Margaret Luke are interesting.

Do you think they would have been buried somewhere on the family estate and recorded elsewhere? If so why were Sir Nicholas and Margaret recorded in Cople?

It appears Sir Nicholas died at Southill so maybe that is where the family home mainly was. Hopefully when you search those records the burials for John, Agnes, Isabel, Thomas and Elizabeth may all show up between 1576 and 1613.

I look forward to the results of your search.

GregL

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Greg

There are no Luke burials in Southill. I don't understand why the burials of the children should not have been recorded in Cople - or anywhere else in Beds for that matter, as the family doesn't seem to have owned property in any other county. There are only two Luke events in Southill - baptism of Samuel son of Oliver Luke Esq on 27 Mar 1603, and the burial of Clement Harrison "servant to Mr Luke" in 1607.

VCH Beds makes no mention of any of the Southill manors being owned by the Lukes. The manor of Woodend, Cople, the family seat, remained in the Luke family until 1686.

I wonder if the children are mentioned on the Luke family tomb in Cople church

David

[Bunnygirl]

David,
I've just sent an e-mail to a village member to see if they can get the inscriptions for me, will keep you posted. Tomb is being looked at today 16 Jan .

Bunnygirl

[bedfordshire boy]

Greg

Purely by chance I came across the will of Sir Nicholas at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I48138

David

[GregL]

David,

What a coincidence. It seems like it came from the same journal as the PDF I sent you. Did you receive it?

Greg

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi Greg, just found your message in my spam folder! Many thanks

David