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convict sent to Australia
« on: Thursday 02 February 12 00:48 GMT (UK) »
 My convict ancestor's name was Mary Burrows
Her convict record description said she had the following letters on her rt arm

A M C M B  Could these have been used for identification by the authorities.
She travelled from Scotland on a small sloop to Woolwich

The last 2 letters M B could be for Mary Burrows. What would the 3 other letters stand for.
Does anyone know?
ARTHUR -Yorkshire - my brick wall
HINCHCLIFFE/HINCLIFE -Yorkshire -2nd brick wall
HAWES -Cornwall
SIMPSON -Yorkshire Kildwick.
VINEN - Wiltshire -convict
SALT - Hungerford
BURROWS - Edinburgh -convict.
Husbands side
BAXTER -Scotland -Fife
WATSON - Scotland Dunino
SERVICE - Paisley Renfrewshire
LESEBERG - Salzgitter Germany
BRUNKE - Salzgitter Germany

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 February 12 23:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Spices,

                I think this could be her.

Regards.

Archie.


Mary Burrows
Mary Burrows, one of 134 convicts transported on the Hector, 11 June 1835

Known aliases:
none

Convicted at:
Convicted at Edinburgh Court of Justiciary for a term of 7 years.

Sentence term:
7 years

Ship name:
Hector

Departure date:
11th June, 1835

Place of arrival:
Van Diemen's Land

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 February 12 23:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Archie, that is my MARY

This is the reply I received from The Convict Research team in Tasmania


There is no way of knowing what the tattoos meant - but they were self
inflicted and not done by the system. Often we find they are the initials
of family members. Sometimes they are husbands or lovers. Some women had
their own names tattooed on them. If they were illiterate it may have
helped them with spelling etc. It is all supposition really.

My original search was to find out about her pre transportation. Monica kindly suggested I purchase her trial notes.I am still waiting to hear back from SNA
Thanks Barbara
ARTHUR -Yorkshire - my brick wall
HINCHCLIFFE/HINCLIFE -Yorkshire -2nd brick wall
HAWES -Cornwall
SIMPSON -Yorkshire Kildwick.
VINEN - Wiltshire -convict
SALT - Hungerford
BURROWS - Edinburgh -convict.
Husbands side
BAXTER -Scotland -Fife
WATSON - Scotland Dunino
SERVICE - Paisley Renfrewshire
LESEBERG - Salzgitter Germany
BRUNKE - Salzgitter Germany

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 February 12 02:43 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if you are already familiar with this?

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11

You can view Tasmanian convict records online.


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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 February 12 10:38 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Nova67
I have used that link. I have registered Mary with the Convict research team so I await more info.

Barbara
ARTHUR -Yorkshire - my brick wall
HINCHCLIFFE/HINCLIFE -Yorkshire -2nd brick wall
HAWES -Cornwall
SIMPSON -Yorkshire Kildwick.
VINEN - Wiltshire -convict
SALT - Hungerford
BURROWS - Edinburgh -convict.
Husbands side
BAXTER -Scotland -Fife
WATSON - Scotland Dunino
SERVICE - Paisley Renfrewshire
LESEBERG - Salzgitter Germany
BRUNKE - Salzgitter Germany

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 February 12 17:10 GMT (UK) »
You can also try emailing the National Archives of Scotland directly;
enquiries@nas.gov.uk
According to this Site it can be very rewarding;
http://heritagegenealogy.com.au

(When you go to that site it is hard to find what I mean so try)
http://heritagegenealogy.com.au/blog/scottish-convict-records-at-the-national-archives-of-scotland/
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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 February 12 19:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Spices,

The vast majority of the existing High Court Trials from the 19th century are indexed in the National Records of Scotland catalogue. The catalogue is free to search on their website: http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

I just typed in Mary Burrows but I believe the references you need are JC26/1834/427 and AD14/34/392. It says "Trial papers relating to Mary Burrows for the crime of uttering base coin. Tried at High Court, Edinburgh" and "Precognition against Mary Burrows for the crime of uttering base coin" respectively.

The AD reference is the precognition. These are written reports of statements given by witnesses and frequently the accused, prepared by the Crown (as prosecutor) which are contained among the records of the Lord Advocate’s Department

The JC reference is the record of the High Court itself, the primary sources to consult being the minute books, which summarise trial proceedings, and the process or case papers.

These records overlap to a degree but you really need to look at both to have a full picture. They generally give an address but often name family too; this would help you trace your ancestors further back.

If Mary has been convicted before (in the local Sheriff Court perhaps) these trial papers will tell you where and when. From there you will be able to trace her back through the years, that is if she has been convicted of previous convictions. Here is an example from a Sheriff Court: http://bit.ly/wgWZyZ

There are a lot of avenues open to you, prison registers for example will give you the number of her last prison entry (if she was in that prison previously). Later prison records will even tell you of any tattoos or marks. I have even seen drawings of tattoos, which may help you to discern what they mean. In one I looked at recently one prison register had two sets of initials; the other had a drawing of the tattoo including love hearts, a lot depended on who was writing down the information.

Newspapers are also fantastic, although access can be limited depending where you are. The National Library of Scotland is by far the best resource and the staff are extremely helpful.

Emma

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 February 12 22:57 GMT (UK) »
And a bit more about her here from National Archives, very sad:

1 collective petition (3 people, William Barrass, short weaver and the father of the prisoner, Peter Douglas and David Sime, shawl manufacturers) on behalf of Mary Burrows/Mary Barrass, convicted at the High Court of Justiciary held at Edinburgh on 22 July 1834, for uttering a counterfeit coin. The prisoner is held in the Bridewell at Edinburgh. The petition is recommended by 11 people on account of the good character of the prisoner's father. There is a covering letter form William Barrass. Grounds for clemency: the prisoner is an imbecile in her intellect, a widow [of Alexander McNab] of 3 years with 2 infant children and no means of support, her father tried to help but he has a sick wife and children, and the prisoner was persuaded to try to pass the coin by a notorious tenderer of counterfeit coins. Initial sentence: 7 years transportation. Bi 8 [Scot].

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-5447302&j=1

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Re: convict sent to Australia
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 February 12 23:36 GMT (UK) »
So the letters might have been for her husband and her son, also Alexander? 

Not looked into the following in much detail so might not be relevant but it could be worth looking into:

1841 census
High St, Inveresk
William Barras, b. 1816 (? a brother to Mary), living with wife, son and
Alexander McNab, b. 1829

1851 census
High St, Inveresk
William Barras, b. 1818, living with wife and
Alexander McNab, b. 1831, Cannongate, Edinburgh, Nephew