PARRY: Are these the same child?

[Georgia Mitch]

Hi all! 

Need another bit of help here, this time with a child by the name Franklin PARRY.

1851 Census:

Name:   Franklin Parry
Age:   1
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1850
Relation:   Son
Father's Name:   John Parry
Mother's name:   Mary Parry
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Rhyl, Flintshire, Wales

I can't find Franklin Parry in the birth indexes for 1848-1850 but I can find a Thomas Franklin Middleton PARRY

Surname     Given Name     Age     District     Volume     Page
Births Dec 1849   
PARRY    Thomas Franklin Middleton        Asaph St    27   184

and a death in 1851

Surname     Given Name     Age     District     Volume     Page
Deaths Jun 1851
Parry   Thomas Franklin Middleton      St Asaph   XXVII   1_4

The only marriage I can see on FreeBMD for Franklin Parry is someone in 1905 with a different middle name.

Would you say these two are the same child

Georgia

[Ruskie]

The 1851 census was taken on the night of March 31st so the death in the June quarter of 1851 could be the same child.

It is also possible that Franklin was his 'nickname' or the name he was usually known by, and this was given to the enumerator for the census, whereas on official documents his (quite long) full name was given. Rhyl comes under the district of St Asaph.

Have you located the family in the 1861 census to see if there is a Franklin with them?

[Georgia Mitch]

Given how common Mary's born c. 1813, in Wales and married to a John Parry seem to be, there are a fair few 1861 census records and I can't figure out which one belongs to 'my' Mary and family. I haven't seen any Franklin's or Thomas Franklin M P's on any, however.

1851 Census:

John Parry   46
Mary Parry   38
Charlotte Parry   13
Mary Parry   5
Franklin Parry   1


1861:

#1
Name:   Mary Parry
Age:   48
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1813
Relation:   Wife
Spouse's Name:   John Parry
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Blean Porth, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township:   Aberdare
County/Island:   Glamorgan

John Parry   41  ('My' John I have a birth year of abt. 1805 - see 1851 census)
Mary Parry   48
Benjamin Ashton   8
William Evans   18
Lewis Thomas   16
Owen Owens   37
John Lant   40

#2
Name:   Mary Parry
Age:   48
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1813
Relation:   Wife
Spouse's Name:   John Parry
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township:   Llanllechid


John Parry   46
Mary Parry   48
John Jno Parry   24
Robt Jno Parry   15

#3
Name:   Mary Parry
Age:   48
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1813
Relation:   Wife
Spouse's Name:   John Parry
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Llangristiolus, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township:   Bangor

John Parry   50
Mary Parry   48
Mary Parry   17
Jane Parry   11
Elizabeth Parry   6

#4
Name:   Mary Parry
Age:   48
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1813
Relation:   Head
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Caerwys, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township:   Rhyl


Mary Parry   48
Clinstiana* M Parry   15

* Should be Christiana, transcription error.


Georgia

[Ruskie]

Yes, I see five Parry families in Flintshire on the 1861 census.

You may be able to match up the families by place of birth or occupations or children? (and using a process of elimination). Match up all likely families in 1851 and find the corresponding families in 1861. There aren't too many of them, so not too much work involved. 

Do you have your family in even later censuses?

There don't appear to be any Franklin Parrys unless the surname has been mistranscribed.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Looking at the 1851 image I would say the Caerwys Mary is likely to be the same one. Guessing Christiana M on 1861 is Mary on 1851

Mary senior is a school mistress on both censuses

[Georgia Mitch]

Not ignoring the thread, just been a bit busy all day so I will get on to comparing these records tonight.

[Georgia Mitch]

Births Jun 1845
Surname     Given Name     District     Volume     Page 
Parry   Christiana Mary   Llanrwst   XXVII   188   

I think that this is the daughter of 'my' Mary. They had another son, John M Parry, whose middle name was Middleton, and he died before the 1851 census was taken. Now 'Mary' is Christiana Mary, and apparently 'Franklin' is Thomas Franklin Middleton. Makes me wonder what other names Charlotte may have possessed 

Georgia

[Georgia Mitch]

Question - does anyone know where I might be able to find out what school(s) Mary was teaching at?

[Ruskie]

Question - does anyone know where I might be able to find out what school(s) Mary was teaching at?

Highly likely to have been the school closest to where she lived. Try to locate her address on old-maps.co.uk and look for the nearest school.