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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 14 February 12 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Possible christening for Mary Ann Wilkinson also at St Peter Bradford
Born 30th June 1841 christened 8th August 1841
parents Abraham and Hannah resident Bowling fathers occupation Wool sorter


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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 02:14 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone.
The response has been quite amazing for a novice.  But I'm am now somewhat confused.
This is what I think I know.
Samuel Shaw was born in 1840 and trained as a cabinet maker. His father John Shaw was a wool stapler.
On the 23 July 1864 married Mary Anne Wilkinson a weaver who was born at Bowling [1881 census Mirfield??] on 30 June 1841[conflicts with K Gerrad's post of 14th @08 07 41which seems to indicate that she was born in 1832 which would make her 8 years older than Samuel] [In the 1871 census she is 29 and in the 1881 census she is 49???] and christened at St Peter's Bradford on 8 August 1841.  Her parents were Abraham and Hannah Wilkinson of Bowling and Abe was a wool sorter.
They take over the Barracks Tavern in Fulford Rd York which is now the Fulford Ams.
Mary Ann died in 1891 at 59 [which would mean she was born in 1832]
Samuel married the maid Susan Gilbert who was born in York in 1868/9, in the Dec qtr 1892.
Now it gets complicated.
It would appear that they had three children:- Beatrice Eleanor (Beatie A, b York 1893), Stanley (b York 1895) and Albert G (b York 1898).  There are also Mary Ann's children Clara (b Bradford 1866 who seems to disapear), John (b1865.  Or maybe its Hannah gradchild by another of her children), Edward (b 1869 ditto), Nathan (b Bradford 1875), Mary (b Bradford 1877)
The family of Samuel, Susan, Beatrice, Stanley and Albert with Nathan who is only 6 years younger than his step mother and with whom there is a story from the old aunts that he was having an affair go to Western Australia on the Ormuz on 10 July 1908.  My grandmother Beatrice meets Francis A Malone and at the age of 15/16 marries in Perth and here I am.
Hope I've got this right.  Please tell me if I've messed it up.
Maxk

Ps Hope you don't mind but I will have to now try and find the other branch.

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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 06:30 GMT (UK) »
I only reported the ages written down on each census! ;D

Nobody ever checked that people were telling the truth, or mistakes were made by the enumerator or in transcription.

The upshot is - never trust ages on census! ;D
They are a good guide, and (probably!) more accurate the younger the person is!
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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 11:49 GMT (UK) »

The family of Samuel, Susan, Beatrice, Stanley and Albert with Nathan who is only 6 years younger than his step mother and with whom there is a story from the old aunts that he was having an affair go to Western Australia on the Ormuz on 10 July 1908

There is also an infant Gladys with them on this trip.
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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both.

I will be more careful about ages.  Wow who is Gladys?

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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 12:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The census info posted by KGarrad for Samuel and Marys ages in 1881 and 1891 are correct as per the originals.  ;D

I wonder if the Mary Ann on the 1871 census with the first children Clara, John and Edward is the same Mary as on later census.  Have you noticed that there is a gap
of 4 years in the childrens ages this can sometimes indicate a death and remarriage.
Clara 15  
Edward 12  
Herbert  8  
Nathan 6  
Mary  4  

I have this christening for Clara -
St Peter, Bradford
Born 18th July 1865 christened 27th August 1875 Clara -parents Samuel and Mary Ann Shaw -resident Bowling - fathers occ Cabinet Maker


I have to go out now but will look at this again later.

Rosie
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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 13:43 GMT (UK) »
Thanks rosie
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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 13:52 GMT (UK) »
I checked with one of the old aunts who says that there may have been another mother but the dates don't seem to line up as there was only a year between Mary Ann and Susan Gilbert.  Unless as the 1871 census which shows Mary Ann at home with her mother means that she had left Samuel.
Curious!
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Re: Beatrice Eleanor Shaw
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 February 12 15:12 GMT (UK) »
I checked with one of the old aunts who says that  . . . .

Beware of old aunts!!!

Firstly, their memory may not be as good as they think! ;D
Secondly, they may want/not want to "remember" certain facts?!

I'm not saying don't believe them, but we all have family stories that don't quite turn out the way they were remembered! ;D :o
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