Harriet CLARKE family

[LHurrey]

Thanks Sue...maybe it's not a totally irrational theory.

Hypothetically, why would it have been beneficial for Harriet to change her name for immigration?

[judb]

mum mum is right - you need a certificate and the later births should have the most info. 

There is a CLARKE family including a Harriet of the right age arriving Moreton Bay 1849, on the Fortitude. Parents: Thomas and Elizabeth and children ranging in age from 20 to 5. NSW Assisted Immigration, Fiche 2354
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=9
Unfortunately the names are so common I can't follow them through to see if they remained in Queensland (not a separate colony till 1859)
TROVE suggests that the Fortitude also called at Sydney however it was in quarantine in Moreton Bay so perhaps no-one disembarked in Sydney 

 There seems to have been some problems with the immigrants on the Fortitude who seem to have emigrated under a scheme of John Dunmore Lang, Secretary of the  Port Philip and Clarence River Colonisation Company.  They were apparently under the impression that land would be granted to them very soon after arrival but this did not happen and there was some difficulty with payment of the bounties as prior approval had not been granted.

[judb]

My reading of the 1841 census has Harriet CLARKE in 'Upgate' Louth.  I don't see her in a work-house but as a servant in the household of Mary Oxxx?, 60, a person of independent means, with two other ladies of independent means, Fanny Alington, 70, and Emilia? Robinson, 35 and two other servants.  Despite Ancestry putting her birth as "Louth" all the image actually says is that she was born in Lincolnshre.  Louth is some 30 miles from Fishtoft.

Just to add to the mix I see a marriage for a Harriet CLARKE in Boston, Lincs, March 1850.  So, who knows ??

Perhaps a request on the Lincolnshire board.....................

I am liking the Hurrey nursemaid theory.  Isn't John HURREY from Spalding, only 18 miles from Fishtoft?.  I have two lots in my family where men married nursemaids after the death of a previous wife and left with small children.

Just out of interest where are wife Elizabeth and her baby in 1841?  I see John with a servant in Spalding but no mention of wife and baby.  (Was looking to see if there was a nursemaid listed with them)


Judith

[Neil Todd]

Hi Lucy, The Transcription I have of the 1841 census does not say "Workhouse" but it generally doesn't on Transcriptions anyway. It was simply my reading of it as there are no occupations listed for any of the inhabitants. The First person on the list not the head of the houshold as would normally be expected is Mary ORME born 1781, no occupation or relationship to head of house, next is Mary Howsham 1806 same as before.
Next is Harriet Clarke 1826 no relation to head of house occupation JUVENILE.
Next is Fanny Alington 1771 nothing noted for her, next Emilia Robinson 1806 no relation to head of house no occupation listed born Lincolnshire, next George Turgeon 20 born 1821 lincolnshire no relation to head of House no occupation listed born Lincolnshire.

Mr Hurrey seems as though he was a fare paying passenger when he arrived and would have forked out for all members of his family if H Hurrey was a member of his group I would normally assume it to be shown houskeeper or Nursemaid. He may have paid her fare he may have had nothing to do with her during the Voyage he may have been pulling a swifty and had her as a member of the family and received a discount, don't know?

But pretty safe to assume she was actually Harriet Clarke, which Harriet Clarke I dont know, just puting up possibles.

Neil

[LHurrey]

Interesting stuff Judith, thanks  . I was struggling to read the script in the 1841 census.
Yes, John Hurrey is a Spalding man, I was happy to see that Fishtoft location on Agnes's birth cert.

Not sure about the Boston marriage, her marriage cert to John in 1852 states spinster but of course she could have just said that.

I can't find Elizabeth and child (Elizabeth jr) anywhere in 1841. I thought it a little odd that John was listed with just a servant but assumed Elizabeth was visiting family and I can't find her due to a transcription error (common with Hurrey).

I like the nursemaid theory too. Elizabeth's obit in Trove states that she dies "following her confinement" so they would have needed a nursemaid.

Lucy

Edit: I just found Elizabeth Grindell staying with her father Robert Grindell in the 1841 census (Northamptonshire). She has a Thomas Hurrey (6) and a Lisey Hurrey (1). There's a Catherine Hawthorn who I believe to be Robert's second wife with them too.

[LHurrey]

Hi Neil,

Thanks for your contributions. I'm not very experienced in reading censuses so it's always good to get multiple opinions. I appreciate both you and Judith helping with this.

I'd really like to know what happened to lead to Harriet Clarke being called Miss H Hurry. I feel like he packed a spare wife just in case. He's not really endearing himself to me, old 3x great grandpa John. Doing the maths I guestimate that he was sleeping with Elizabeth within three months of Caroline's death and she was likely pregnant before the wedding. The dates suggest Caroline was also pregnant before the wedding. He's seeming like a bit of a cad.

Lucy

[Neil Todd]

Hi again,
From Judith's post
"Just to add to the mix I see a marriage for a Harriet CLARKE in Boston, Lincs, March 1850.  So, who knows ??" Judith this was after they arrived in Australia and was the one I referred to in a earlier post.

Of the 17 possibles in 1841 Harriet born 1826 and in "THAT HOUSE" was the only one I could see that was not accounted for.

Mmm Old 3 X could have been a bit of a Bounder but seems to have looked after the Kids OK.

Neil

[judb]

I realise it was after, Neil, but I wonder if it was the Harriet from Louth who was married in the Boston registration district which puts her out of the frame, and explains why she disappeared.

I believe there were very many such marriages between a father and the housekeeper/nursemaid. 

There may well be an easy explanation for her being listed as Miss Hurrey - was it an assisted or unassisted passage?  It may be that it was cheaper to add her as a family member. I know of people these days who take the nanny with them on a trip (no chance of passing her off as family with passports) and one of our (distant) relatives puts the nanny and kids in business or cattle class and they fly First - I digress  .

Do we have a fiche/reel record for the immigration?  I will be at the ANL some time this week and am happy to have a look.

Judith

[LHurrey]

Judith, I don't have a fiche record. I found the passenger list in shipping intelligence on Trove. 3 Aug 1850. The Duke of Portland stops in Adelaide before Port Phillip. I haven't managed to find them on PROV.