Lannan. Logan Street Thomastown

[ozranga]

I have a baptism of Winifred Lannan on 17 Sep 1835 of Logan street, Thomastown, Kilkenny. Parents are Peter Lannan & Judith Raggett.
When my Winifred married Thomas Faull in 1856 in Sydney, her mother was Johanna Walsh, her father, not named was a butcher.
When my Winifred Faull (nee Lannan) died in 1916 in Parkes, NSW Australia it was stated that her father was Peter Lellan ( Lannan,) a butcher by trade.
Winifred was also known as Winifred Walsh, Ellen Walsh, Ellen Lannan,
Griffiths valuation has  Peter Lannan, Logan Street, Thomastown.
Problem:
Was this Peter Lannan of Logan Street a butcher?
Was the marriage to Judith Raggett his second marriage?
Was Winifred the illegitimate daughter of Peter Lannan and Johanna Walsh?
Any help much appreciated.

[shanew147]

I'm guessing it's an RC baptism - since the mother's maiden name is shown ?
RC registers rarely include occupations, so these probably will not help with father's occupation.

Unfortunately no sign of any Lannan or similar in the two trade/street directories I have access to which cover the town around that time - 1824 and 1846.

Slaters 1846 includes 2 butchers in the town - David and William Murphy. Pigott's 1824 includes several grocers, but no specific listing for butchers. Street names are not included in the listings.

It's possible that this Peter was employed by one of the Murphy butchers businesses, in which case he would not have his own listing.

If this Peter Lannan stayed in Ireland and died after the start of Civil registration in 1864, then a death cert would show his occupation.

I would think that if Winifred was not the legitimate daughter there would be some note about this in the register. Where there other children listed for the same parents ?

Have you found a possible marriage for Peter and Johanna Judith  ?


Shane

[ozranga]

Wow, what a quick reply, thanks so much.
Winifred/Ellen is a real mystery and I know very little of her. Her age fluctuates wildly on all the certificates I have for the family in Australia.
I haven't yet looked for the marriage of peter & Judith, or his death.
I will keep on searching and thanks for your help.

[shanew147]

An 1881 directory shows an entry in the Thomastown Shopkeepers & Trader listing that might be a relation :

  Thomas Lannan, butcher

and in 1894 there's a  Peter Lannan, butcher. No specific address on either entry other than Thomastown.

There are a few Lannen/Lannon entries on the 1901 census in Thomastown - including a Peter on what's transcribed as 'Sogan Street' - actually looks more like Logan St. on the building return. His occupation is listed as 'Victualler', which is similar to a butcher.

see : Peter Lannon



Shane

[shanew147]

here's the same Lannon butchers on the 1911 Census ... looks like this family were in the US for a time as some of the children are listed on the returns as being born America or New York.

  Lannon household, Thomastown


Shane

[taramcdsmall]

Hi there,

There were 5 children baptised to Peter Lannan and Judith Raggett

John 1833, Winnifred 1835, Mary 1837, Catherine 1840, Anne 1856

None show up for the mother's surname being Walsh

No marriage is showing for Peter and Judith

Tara

[Jack2227]

Headstone in Thomastown;

Anne Lannon (nee Beck); Dangan Tce
8/1/2001 (32)
Terry Beck (mother of Anne)
27/9/2003
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Jack

[ozranga]

Thank you everyone, I haven't checked this threrad for a while so apologise for late reply.
shanew147:
"It's possible that this Peter was employed by one of the Murphy butchers businesses, in which case he would not have his own listing"

The baptism record for Winifred in 1835 has an Anastasia Murphy as her sponsor, please tell me she was one of the "Butcher" Murphys.
also I have the Thomastown headstone inscription for Peter  who died in 1913 and is the same as quoted by shanew147.

cheers
Marienne

[shanew147]

.....
shanew147:

"It's possible that this Peter was employed by one of the Murphy butchers businesses, in which case he would not have his own listing"

The baptism record for Winifred in 1835 has an Anastasia Murphy as her sponsor, please tell me she was one of the "Butcher" Murphys.
....

You would have to expand the research out to the Murphy family to try to establish that - not an easy task given how common the surname is, and the fact that RC records dont usually include occupation. Anastasia was a more common name at the time than it is now, so could could be difficult to figure out which Murphy family this Anastasia came from.



Shane