Joseph & Elizabeth RUSSELL Kings Somborne

[SandraAust]

I believe that this couple might be my 6 x Great Grandparents and parents of Joseph (Jnr) per previous thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,579360.0.html

If Joseph Snr died 1806, his birth would have been c1720.
My questions for this posting:
Can the marriage of Joseph and Elizabeth be found? Maybe c1743.
What was Elizabeth's maiden name?
Were their parents/fathers named at their marriage?
Occupations of each man involved?
Can births/baptisms be found for Joseph and Elizabeth?

I found 3 children for this couple on family search:
Joseph Jnr (per previous thread) - no additional information needed
Mary bap 11 Apr 1748. Did she later marry Solomon HATCHER or was that a different Mary? No other record found.
Luke bap 30 Jun 1761. No other record found.

Any information gratefully accepted.
Sandra

[SandraAust]

I've come across a mention of a Joseph RUSSELL marrying an Elizabeth BLAKE at Kings Somborne but there are no references quoted. Does anyone happen to have found this c1743 or thereabouts?

[Little Nell]

Were their parents/fathers named at their marriage?

Prior to civil registration, there was no space for fathers' names to be recorded on a marriage record. The fathers might be one of the witnesses but there is no way of knowing, since relationships are not shown.  And prior to 1753, a marriage record is often just one line:
e.g.John Smith & Mary Brown married - with a date.  No witnesses recorded.  No occupations recorded either 

I can't find any record of a Joseph Russell marrying Elizabeth Blake in Kings Somborne or any other Hampshire parish.

The marriage of Solomon Hatcher & Mary Russell was by licence and Solomon was recorded on the licence allegation as a widower aged at least 25 and a bricklayer by trade.   Mary was a spinster, also aged at least 25.  Unfortunately no way of knowing if this is your Mary Russell except that her age might fit.  Children with these parents were baptised in Kings Somborne between 1773 and 1785.  Since Solomon married Mary Russell in 1778, it looks like his first wife was also a Mary.  She  probably died in 1777.  Children of the second marriage were Elizabeth, Joseph and Thomas.  Solomon died in 1822 and left a will

A Luke Russell was buried in Kings Somborne in 1836 aged 73.  This could be Luke born in 1761 - ages were not always their strongest suit! 

Nell

[SandraAust]

Hello Nell,

Thank you for all the information.

I couldn't find the will for Solomon in the archives but I found a single-line entry for Mary HATCHER dated 1807 with Solomon as the husband (downloaded this one). Would you mind checking to see what dates they were buried? Do you know how I can get a copy of Solomon's will?

Also, you mention 3 children for them and as I will also need information for them, I will start another posting.

Thank you also for confirming that there is no marriage found for Joseph RUSSELL to Elizabeth BLAKE. Can you find any marriage(s) at all for Joseph?

Regards,
Sandra

[Little Nell]

Can you find any marriage(s) at all for Joseph?

Not with any certainty.  Russell is quite a common name. 

The only marriage for a Joseph Russell around the date of 1743 is this one:

Joseph Russell m Rebeka Davis 12 Sep 1745 at Ringwood

Solomon Hatcher's will is at Hampshire Record Office (Winchester) ref: 1822B/38
He was buried 9 Oct 1822 in Kings Somborne aged 76.  Wife Mary I was buried 20 Dec 1777.
Another Mary Hatcher was buried in Kings Somborne in 1793, no age so cannot be certain who she was, BUT Solomon Hatcher, widower, married a Mary Alexander in 1800.  Third wife maybe?  Can't find a burial in 1807 for a Mary Hatcher.    Where did you find that will?

Nell

[SandraAust]

Can you find any marriage(s) at all for Joseph?

Not with any certainty.  Russell is quite a common name. 

The only marriage for a Joseph Russell around the date of 1743 is this one:

Joseph Russell m Rebeka Davis 12 Sep 1745 at Ringwood

Solomon Hatcher's will is at Hampshire Record Office (Winchester) ref: 1822B/38
He was buried 9 Oct 1822 in Kings Somborne aged 76.  Wife Mary I was buried 20 Dec 1777.
Another Mary Hatcher was buried in Kings Somborne in 1793, no age so cannot be certain who she was, BUT Solomon Hatcher, widower, married a Mary Alexander in 1800.  Third wife maybe?  Can't find a burial in 1807 for a Mary Hatcher.    Where did you find that will?

Nell

Aaaah! it's so complicated. I found Mary HATCHER on the British Archives site. It's not an actual will but a single line entry along with other people.

It states:
June 22 1807, $100 (I don't have a pound symbol), Hatcher Mary of Kings Sombourn, Solomon Hatcher of Kings Sombourn, Bricklayer (under Administrator), Husband (under Degree of Kindred).
Do you think that might be probate?

I wonder if there might have be a son Solomon from either of Solomon's first 2 marriages? There was definitely another one born c1828 that was with his parents Thomas and Ann in the 1841 census. For the moment I am assuming this Thomas to be the one you mentioned in my Joseph & Elizabeth RUSSELL posting until I can confirm one way or the other.

I'll check out the HRO to see what it might cost to get a copy of Sol's will.

You've been a great help Nell - thank you very much.
Sandra
 

[Little Nell]

I wonder if there might have be a son Solomon from either of Solomon's first 2 marriages?

Yes - he's on the other post:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,601227.msg4508732.html#msg4508732

Nell

[SandraAust]

Thank you Nell.