Herbert Samuel PALMER b. ca 1900 Bristol COMPLETED thanks to keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi Judy, off work tomorrow, so thought I would post re Emily Hannah Fenwick:-

Baptism Emeline Hannah Fenwick 8th July 1832 St George the Martyr, London, Middx
Address Fisher's Buildings George Street/Kent Street
Father Felix occ Tailor Mother Hannah

Also baptism for:-

Mary Esther Fenwick 25th April 1830 St George the Martyr, London, Middx
Address High Street, Borough
Father Felix occ Tailor Mother Hannah

Baptism Louisa Nickless Fenwick 17th May 1835 St Philips & St Jacobs, Bristol Father Felix Mother Hannah

Their was an earlier baptism, which could mean Felix was widowed when he married Hannah:-

Baptism William Powell Fenwick 22nd March 1818 St James's Bristol Father Felix Mother Sarah

Marriage Felix Fenwick to Hannah Nickless 22nd August 1822 Bristol

1841 Census

Felix TENWICK 52 occ Tailor Not born in County
Hannah 48 b Somerset
Mary 12 b Somerset?
Hannah 9 b Somerset?
Emeline 6 Not born in County?
Residing at Brick Yard, Redcliffe, Mead Lane, Bristol
Census Ref HO107/373/5/5

Burial Felix Fenwick 18th February 1849 Temple Church, Bristol aged 64 Marital status unknown?!
His birth could well be 29th March 1785 St Sidwell, Exeter, Devon Father Richard Mother Mary

1851 Census

Annah FINWICK 60 Widow occ Tailoress
Mary 20 occ Stay Maker
Emily 18 occ Stay Maker
Louisa 16 Afflicted receives and a loaf from the parish?
Residng at 10, Poplar Square, St Mary, Redcliffe, Bristol
All now born Bristol
Census Ref HO107/1947/110/9
Keyboard86

[judyjudy144]

Hello again,
Just a quick note before going to work....  I don't believe the Nathan you are following has anything to do with my grand uncle Nathaniel.
According to verifiable sources (marriage & death certificates), Nathaniel Arthur Palmer’s father is Samuel Palmer born 1864 and Elizabeth Mary Sweet born 1869.  Nathaniel was born 12 February 1891 and died in Saint John, N.B.  He married 4 June 1913 to Hazel Foster born 11 February 1896 in Saint John, N.B. Canada.  His occupation was a barber.  He was the one who paid for the voyage of his brother’s family (Winifred P. Herbert and my aunt and father).
I'll take some time tonight to sort out what you found but at first glance, I think you are barking up the wrong tree 

[keyboard86]

  Hi again Judy, if I've followed the wrong family back, at least it will help out later researchers of the Palmer/Fenwick clan!!

0K a couple of things, marriage and death verifiable/certifiable, so where is the birth registration of Nathaniel Arthur Palmer March qtr 1891?  there is a plain Nathan Palmer in that qtr 1891 Bedminster 5c 698 also where were Samuel/Elizabeth etc in 1901?

Odd then that along with the Nathan b 1891 Bristol  I mentioned earlier re 1901, their is also a Herbert Palmer aged 11 b Bristol shown as Poor Law Child at Homes for Pauper children in Bristol
Census ref RG13/2392/161/4

For others to possibly assist this is the 1891 we both agree on:-

Samuel Palmer 27 occ Corn Porter
Elizabeth 22
Hubert S 1
Nathan 2 months
Residing at 31, Charlotte Street, Bedminster (mm? same number & street possibly as 1881 shown above)?
RG12/1946/96/20

And worth maybe purchasing this death cert ( age a bit out) but find another in 1891:-
Samuel Palmer June qtr 1891 Bedminster 5c 485 aged 29
Or maybe not:-

Christening Samuel Palmer 14th Seotember 1862 St John's Bedminster Father Nathan Mother Emily

And also the obvious questions (a), how/when did Nathaniel Arthur Palmer arrive in Canada, first census etc?
And (b) Have you the marriage cert of Samuel Palmer to Elizabeth Mary Sweet, I would suggest the answer is no, as you only reported her side of the the marriage?!
Keyboard86

[judyjudy144]

Hi Keyboard,
I have not found a marriage certificate for Samuel and Elizabeth (still looking) however on Herbert Samuel Palmer's death certificate, it is clearly stated that his father was Samuel Palmer of Bristol and mother was Elizabeth Mary Sweet.  Brother Nathaniel Arthur Palmer witness.
On Nathaniel's marriage certificate, father Samuel and mother Elizabeth Sweet.
I don't know when Nathaniel came to Canada - before or after Herbert but I will keep looking but not tonight as I am no longer seeing straight.
Judy

[keyboard86]

Hi Keyboard,
I have not found a marriage certificate for Samuel and Elizabeth (still looking) however on Herbert Samuel Palmer's death certificate, it is clearly stated that his father was Samuel Palmer of Bristol and mother was Elizabeth Mary Sweet.  Brother Nathaniel Arthur Palmer witness.
On Nathaniel's marriage certificate, father Samuel and mother Elizabeth Sweet.
I don't know when Nathaniel came to Canada - before or after Herbert but I will keep looking but not tonight as I am no longer seeing straight.
Judy


  Know how you feel Judy, I had just finished a nightshift when I posted last bits & pieces, can I (when you are up and running again) ask your thoughts on why their is no apparent birth of a Nathaniel Arthur Palmer anywhere in the UK March qtr 1891, and who you think are the 2 boys in homes in 1901, also the coincedence of the address in 1891being almost certainly that of the 1871/1881, will look for Elizabeth Mary tonight, but personally I think the death of Samuel Palmer in 1891 is yours, we will see!! Also bear in mind the marriage of Samuel to Elizabeth Mary Sweet may have been a civil ceremony so no parish records will exist?
Keyboard

[keyboard86]

Hi again Judy, as you may have seen in your PM's I have enlisted the help of 2 fellow Canadians, to back up I believe the Nathan in 1901 in a Home, and bound for Canada in 1905 the 1911 Canada census states that Nathan was born February 1891 no middle name, and plain Nathan, and his occupation was a Barber?

Keyboard

[judyjudy144]

Hi Keyboard,
I have this info on Nathaniel.  However, I did find his arrival from England on the Araguaya.  He is listed as Pte Palmer NA arriving 10 January 1919 - end of the war I assume.  As for the 14 year old being shipped off to Montreal, why?  His brother Herbert Samuel Palmer was older than he so why wasn't he too shipped out too if they were orphans? And if this is the same Nathaniel/Nathan at age 14, he must of kept in touch with his brother as Nathaniel paid the passage for his brother's family in 1926.  I have yet to find his brother's arrival within 5 years of 1926.
Judy

[keyboard86]

OK Judy, I will now back off this thread, I feel I have shown enough of just who I think Nathan was and where he was in 1901/1905 and a Barber in 1911 Canada, I hope you find Samuel & Elizabeth etc on 1901/1911 etc

Also isn't it odd that the 1891 census you say is your Nathaniel Arthur Palmer, he is plain Nathan, whilst his brother has the middle initial "S" think you possibly forget that for his new occupation, he may have invented a "Posher" name, also,  everything I have posted you appear to have "Cherry picked" which you were willing to accept, without offering alternatives or comments on those you found unacceptable, and maybe for all following this thread could you give details of just who Pte N A Palmer was who arrived back to Canada1919 after marrying in 1913 Canada?
All the best, I have done all I can ok

[EdCan]

Pte N A Palmer on Araguaya No 442244. Nathan the barber No. was 742184.