Searching for ancestors of my GG grandfather Thomas Menton abt 1865 Co Wexford

[Denis Menton]

1901 and 1911 census states he was born in Co Wexford but I can’t find any trace except his fathers name on his wedding cert.
Fathers name: Patrick Menton

Thomas married Mary Kelly in Rathdown in 1891 and reared a family in Dublin City.
He may have been born in some area that was a Diocese of Wexford but in another Civic County.

I have found a record for Patrick Menton, Toome Parish in Ballyduffbeg Wexford in the Griffiths Valuation from 1853 but no other details.

I have searched the civic records by the LDS but there is nothing for Thomas or Patrick from Wexford.
I need help!

UPDATE 23 12 2012

I got the marriage cert for Thomas Menton from 1891 from the GRO in Dublin with his father listed as Patrick but since then I have visited the NLI in Dublin and viewed the actual Catholic records and the fathers name was not Patrick, but was also Thomas, and his wifes name was Maria, and they were listed as being from Gorey.
This makes more sense as my family history says the family came from Wexford in the Gorey area.
The reply to this thread from jytefas relating to the burials at Toome cemetery of Peter Mentan and his family may also be my ancestors as my grandfathers name was actually Peter Menton.
I have sourced certs relating to Menton, Mentaan, Mantan from Gorey also and Peter Mentan was a shepherd who I have been told originally came from Galway. He buiult a sheep pass in the area which still stands today and apparently according to locals in Gorey today he used to count his sheep in Gaelic. I got this info from people on the irelandxo website.
His fathers name was John and he was also a shepherd.
Peter Mentan was married at least 3 times from what records I have found and the first record from 1850 in Gorey says he was a widower. The second record from Gorey was in 1877.
All help and advice greatly apreciated.

[shanew147]

I'd say the problem with finding the birth for Thomas could be due to the date - very close to the start of civil registration, so could have been missed , or if his age a very slightly out the been just before it started..

p.s. where did the marriage take place - and what was the occupation given for Patrick ?
(Rathdown is a registration district, so covers quite a large part of counties Dublin and Wicklow..)

census returns for reference :   1901  / 1911


Shane

[shanew147]

The only Thomas Menton birth that I can find on then BMD Index around the right time that's anywhere near Co. Wexford is one in Carlow town registration district in 1865, which even though it covers none of Co. Wexford, it's close to two Co. Wexford districts - Enniscorthy and New Ross.

Unfortunately following this Thomas further I can see a corresponding extracted record which shows that his father's name is Denis and the birth was somewhere in, or close to, Leighlinbridge.



Shane

[Denis Menton]

Tnx Shane.

I already checked that record and wondered if the name may be wrong on the LDS and it should be Patrick...so many mistakes on thoise records I have found

The only Thomas Menton birth that I can find on then BMD Index around the right time that's anywhere near Co. Wexford is one in Carlow town registration district in 1865, which even though it covers none of Co. Wexford, it's close to two Co. Wexford districts - Enniscorthy and New Ross.

Unfortunately following this Thomas further I can see a corresponding extracted record which shows that his father's name is Denis and the birth was somewhere in, or close to, Leighlinbridge.



Shane

[Denis Menton]

Tnx Shane

They were married in Cabinteely and the Mentons were living in Monkstown. Patrick was listed as a labourer.
The Kelly's, the wifes family, were from Cabinteely but I cant find any records for Mary Kelly abt 1870 or her father. She states on the censuses she was born in Co Dublin.

I'd say the problem with finding the birth for Thomas could be due to the date - very close to the start of civil registration, so could have been missed , or if his age a very slightly out the been just before it started..

p.s. where did the marriage take place - and what was the occupation given for Patrick ?
(Rathdown is a registration district, so covers quite a large part of counties Dublin and Wicklow..)

census returns for reference :   1901  / 1911


Shane

[shanew147]

one detail to keep in mind is that marriage certs give the current residences of the bride and groom - so could be where they were living or employed at the time, rather than where their families lived.


Shane

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Denis,

There is a Patrick MANTON father to a Johanna in 1865 in Waterford.

Maybe the same family but with a spelling error ?

With him being a labourer he may have been moving around for work - also if he was a labourer I don't think you will see him on Griffiths.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Hi Denis,

I think your tree is on ancestry, yes ?

Well, have you seen the tree for Mary Menton b 1867 Waterford. Her father is named as Edward BUT there MAY be some sort of family connection as Edward was a Coachman (listed on Mary's marriage cert) which was also the same ocupation as your Thomas.

Could all be coincidental, but may be worth looking into further.

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Ok So I MAY have something

The name Denis SEEMS to run in your family and on the 1901 census there is a Denis Menton from Wexford but living in Offaly.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Screggan/Heath/1470160/

Below is Denis' birth taken from LDS free site:

Denis Mentan
21 Apr 1876
Wicklow, Ireland
Father Patrick Mentan
Mother Anne Murphy

Tara