Thomas CARROLL missing from census

[Fennawright]

I am looking for Thomas CARROLL in the hope of finding him with his parents and sister in a census.

I have him in 1871 at 122 John's Place, Alverstoke Hants.
Thomas age is 32 born Portsmouth.
Occupation Seaman Royal Navy so may have travelled around a bit.

His wife's name is Jane and her age 25.

There's a Father-in-law with them age 62 called John Briggs ? or Buggs?
but I cannot find a marriage for Thomas Carroll to Jane with either of those surnames.

The niece with them had a mother Mary Carroll who was 21 when she married in Nov 1861.  Mary's father given as Thomas Carroll deceased.

I have found Mary in 1861 with surname spelt Carrol but no other Carrol with her. Haven't found Thomas yet.

Please can anyone spot Thomas and Mary in 1851 census?

Fennawright

[groom]

There is a Thomas Carroll aged 2 in the 1841 census  Royal Marine Barrack's Mill Bay, Plymouth, St Andrew, Plymouth

Also listed with him are a Dorothy Carroll born about 1811 soldier's wife, Vernon aged 5, Ann aged 5, Mary Carroll aged 4 all soldier's children and further up the page a John born about 1801 sergeant 53rd regiment. It is  impossible to tell if they are together though as the 1841 doesn't give relationships.

Jan

[gortonboy]

looks like that Thomas Carroll was born in Corfu,,,,birth is in Army birth index.

[AMBLY]

Hi

Thomas in 1851?:
1851: Royal Military Asylum for Children of Soldiers of the Regular Army
Chelsea, Middlesex
HO107/ Piece: 147/ Folio: 566/ Page: 15
Boys in the Institution: Thomas CARROLL 11, b Corfu

The 1871 Census gives Jane's pob as Fareham. Same for the father-in-law  - and I think the name could be  BIGGS:

1851:Henry Lane, Fontley, Fareham, Hants
HO107/ Piece: 166/ Folio: 43/ Page: 11
Head: John BIGGS 42, B Titchfield
Wife: Letitia BIGGS 44, b Stratford Warwick
Son: John 15, b Robertsbridge, Sussex
Son: William 1?, b Robertsbridge, Sussex
Son: Richard 10, b Yalding, Kent
Dau: Jane 5, b Cutfield, Sussex
Note: No occ given for John.
Note: Enumerator's check mark through William's age, obliterates the 2nd digit - but he should be age between 11 and 14?

Despite clear 'issues' re places of birth - and the change of name from Leticia to Elizabeth with the one person whose pob is coinsistent! - I think the following is maybe the same couple?
1861: Bunkers Hill, Fareham, Hants
RG 9/ Piece: 649/ Folio: 35/ Page: 15
Head:John BIGGS 54, Ag Lab, b Fareham Hants
Wife: Elizabeth BIGGS 60, Ag Lab wife, b Stratford on Avon, Warwick
Son: William BIGGS 23, Labour, b Fareham, Hants

Cheers
AMBLY

[Fennawright]

That's interesting thank you.

My head has been spinning trying to find Thomas and Mary, and it's possible their father Thomas died soon after they were born.

Vernon is an unuasual name so it might be easier to follow this family through the census and see if that leads anywhere

Fennawright

[AMBLY]

Do you have Thomas and Jane in 1881 & 1891:

Is this them?
1891: 59 Eel Street, Oldbury, Worcestershire
RG12/ Piece: 2266/ Folio: 34/ Page: 18/
Head: Thomas CARROLL 51,  Grocer's Porter, b Corfu British Subject
Wife: Jane CARROLL 42, b Westbromwich
Son: Vernon John CARROLL 12, Grocers Boy, b Westbromwich


(In 1881 - Thomas' pob is given as Ireland....)

Cheers
AMBLY

[Fennawright]

Oh dear!
Looks like the BIGGS family selected their birthplaces with a map and a pin!

Corfu !

Think I need to sit down.

Thanks Ambly and gortonboy.

Fennawright

[Fennawright]

Thanks Ambly for the 1891 CARROLL information.

Looks promising with the son being a Vernon too.

Fennawright

[gortonboy]

John Carroll b c1804 Portadown,County Armagh   53rd foot.

served in Gibraltar,Malta and Ionian Islands for 10 years,,,hence Thomas being born in Corfu.