Catherine Maloney

[heywood]

I think there is a Lucas family at 1 Commercial St in 1861 and in 1871 looks to be a house with more than one family in the accomodation.

I am quite ignorant of the place so have just looked it up re docks etc - there are a number of shipwrights and associated trades in the area.

[Minera]

Thank you, didn't expect to find her there in 61,  would think she would have probably have arrived just prior to conception or during her pregnancy. Have no idea how long she would have stayed but I don't think she had roots there as she was in Liverpool soon after as had her second son here.
I only know Poplar from what I saw on tv ( call the midwives) but have been googling, whenever I have pondered I get the feeling that she had ties/ support in Liverpool. Would not surprise me if she went to Poplar with Peter Snr or to join him when pregnant. Then settled in Liverpool ,seamens families are alone too much and sometimes the men don't come back, so you need to have roots and be able to find work.  Think they were both transition zones but Liverpool was both Catholic and Irish.

[Minera]

 :)Trying to find the Lucas family in census do you have name of head please ? May give some hints xx

[heywood]

:)Trying to find the Lucas family in census do you have name of head please ? May give some hints xx

Thomas Lucas b Marysfield Nottinghamshire with wife Elizabeth b Liverpool

Yes of course Call the Midwife was in Poplar.

[Minera]

  Ok it's all a bit of a longshot but the wife and son of the Lucas family were born in Lpool, so they have not been in Poplar long, they have 2 unrelated visitors with them in 61. So it's pos the family were still there in 1865 when Kate had Peter. Am thinking maybe she knew them or they befriended her.
The man is a joiner and someone tought Peter his trade, Kate called her 2nd son William which was the name of their son, she is back in Lpool then. So am going to look for the Lucas family and see if they returned to Lpool also.  Could be clutching at straws. Xx

[Minera]

 :)Got them in Liverpool in 71 think there is something in this xx

[Minera]

Oh no false alarm, it's the wrong family same names, but not them .

[heywood]

No they are still in London in 1871 but at a different address.

I think the likely scenario is as you say- she moved to Liverpool for family/friends -Ireland/Liverpool connections.

Neighbours and Godparents for the children may help in looking at Catherine's life. Peter is difficult because of his absences and never around at census times!

[Minera]

Thank you will just concentrate on her later life in Liverpool, as that seems to make more sense. Xx