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Re: Secrets and Skeletons
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 31 May 12 17:02 BST (UK) »
After I saw WDYTYA with Jim Moir (Vic Reeves) I had a feeling I would come across skeletons..........I just was not prepared for the out come.
It is very sensitive for all involved. I hope someone in the family will leave some information. I would like to put the clock right as was suggested, but we'll just have to wait for now.
As for my Grandfather, goodness knows how many more offspring he has sired and we do not know about..............for now.

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 31 May 12 17:57 BST (UK) »
As to the ownership, I guess you can look at it as you own it, everyone owns it, no one owns it, that is more or less how I see it, all three in a strange state of limbo.  I possess it and I can do whatever I want with it, however if you figured it out (and can prove it, not just I heard once from great uncle bobs step-son that I met once 25 years ago) then anyone else can too so everyone is on the same field, you just pieced it together first (or did you?).  Yet this information is just that, who owns the fact that 2+2=4, no one.

Though there is responsiblity with this knowledge that we build up and keep.  I for the most part am very transparent with what I find, I embrace it.  We previously thought my GGG Grandparents were distant cousins, not so, first cousins and I made sure anyone who thought otherwise knew the truth (as icky as it may be).  We are very open about our pasts in my family, my grandfather stole 2 boats when he was in his teens in the thirties, thrown in Juvinile Detention for theft over $10k.  Yet these are all facts and we either have documentation to back our discovery or we have the person to tell us.

Yet there are 2 things that I know parts of the information for yet I am responsible for it as well.  There is a child that was adopted, he doesn't know so saying things to other people about it is unfair to him and his family - maybe later in life he will be told, or maybe not, but that is not our choice to make for him or his parents.  Also there is rumor that one of my cousins has half-siblings.  Long story shot their father apparently got married over seas during WW2, never getting divorced, technically making all the children of his that we know here bastards.

The first example as I said it isn't my place to say anything, and I have it documented but stashed away from everything I make accessable to my family (My work book is all online).  The 2nd one I would divulge to the proper people, however I would need to be able to prove it (Marriage certificate), even then I would have to be tactful about telling those people simply because of the implications.

So the short of it is everyone has a right to know as long as it is in proof and evidence.  Is it your right to tell them, or someone else right?  Would it damage the family integrity, they may still need to know but with tact and at the right time (maybe introducing this person to them at the same time?)?

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 31 May 12 19:40 BST (UK) »

Debunking myths can be as challenging as letting the skeletons out of the cupboard.

Today tough I have debunked one of my own family "myths" about the demise of an ancestor who was presumed drowned. His cause of death is on the certificate "senile dementia" no mention of drowning . Reaction of spouse " wonder how the story came about?" Reaction of daughter " pity, drowning was less boring!" 


I have spent more than 27 years working within an organisation where being non judgmental was integral to what we did , day in day out. We have no right to judge what our ancestors did, nor impose our own moral standards on them , even if they are our family. Standards change, and were our grandparents alive, they might be shocked by our behaviours.  Who said sex was invented in the 1960s? I have more ladies reaching the altar just in time than I care to mention and at least one candidate for bigamy. I know I have a bankrupt and I strongly suspect I have 2 felons. It doesn't worry my relatives fortunately, they all accept I am a FH addict and keenly ( or politely) await the latest secrets.

 

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:01 BST (UK) »
Mavals makes a good point about being non-judgemental about what we find in our searches.  Like I said about my GGG-Grandparents being first cousins, I am not the one who did it, and I ma not ashamed to tell people about it.  Morals change, what we know changes, what is right and just changes - we just have to learn to take everything in context.

For example in an obit for my GG-Grandfather is mention that "Knights of the KKK" sent flowers for his funeral.  What?  Well, it turns out that when he died (1927 - and I may have some of the facts wrong) the leaders of the Orange Lodge and the KKK were close.  They had an understanding that they will pay respect to the others.  Also the KKK didn't actually become the one we know as today until a few decades later.  So it wasn't as bad as it seemed, when taken in context of the times.


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:02 BST (UK) »
It is difficult when we find relatives and especially parents with feet of clay and not the people you thought they quite were and that I suppose we can keep to ourselves, record it, and pass down to our own.

Like others I've discovered things about my family that from abandoned responsibilities to child molestation (quite a while back I hasten to add) and it does make for a bit of toe curling. In possession of such knowledge while others close to home sing praises of loyalty and fidelity is also difficult when knowing that the person in question was actually like.

Wouldn't be nice to find some lost inheritance, hero or famous connection instead eh?  
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:15 BST (UK) »
Mavals makes a good point about being non-judgemental about what we find in our searches.  Like I said about my GGG-Grandparents being first cousins, I am not the one who did it, and I ma not ashamed to tell people about it.  Morals change, what we know changes, what is right and just changes - we just have to learn to take everything in context.

For example in an obit for my GG-Grandfather is mention that "Knights of the KKK" sent flowers for his funeral.  What?  Well, it turns out that when he died (1927 - and I may have some of the facts wrong) the leaders of the Orange Lodge and the KKK were close.  They had an understanding that they will pay respect to the others.  Also the KKK didn't actually become the one we know as today until a few decades later.  So it wasn't as bad as it seemed, when taken in context of the times.

We discovered a late 1930's photograph of a family member from our Italian side attending a fascist funeral..... complete with arm raised in salute over the coffin! As you say with Klan they were perceived differently in those days and we know for example that the fascist had the support of establishment members and some of the press.

The problem now is whether to put that photograph at the top of the pile or the bottom!
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:33 BST (UK) »
Top!  That picture speaks volumes about the times, and that is what we are trying to capture.

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:40 BST (UK) »
Top!  That picture speaks volumes about the times, and that is what we are trying to capture.

Absolutely at the Top. I would then hope to be able to explain to future generations about the need to be vigilant about not forgetting some terrible things were done in years past and that we need to learn the lessons of history to try to avoid repeating such things.

 ;D (although to mis quote (probably) the Reduced Shakespeare Company Millennium the Musical  - "the lesson of history is that we do not learn the lesson of history"...)  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 31 May 12 20:53 BST (UK) »
The top of the pile it is then guys  ;)
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