Phillips family Pentrych 1822 on

[Gwaelodian]

I am researching the family history of Abraham Phillips who was married to Elizabeth Morgan and then to one Jemima from Bedwas.  This interests me because our deeds have been signed by this man, who was subsequently killed in an 1875 mining disaster, after which the house is immediately used by another family - in other words, his own family were out of it in less than a month after his death.

 I have a lot of material already from on line and census searches but cannot find the date of Abraham and Elizabeth's marriage or the reason for her early death.  With reference to Jemima,  I cannot find her date of birth, not knowing her family name, but note that she returns to live in Bedwas, where she is listed as a char woman. She may have taken her surviving children with her... I have not yet traced them after living here.  I have also drawn a blank on the son, Phillip Phillips, born 1854, beyond the fact that he was a commercial traveller and  is therefore not always on the census. Any help gratefully received. I am new to the site and hope I can find my way to any answers that come my way.  Nice to say hello to you all.  Thanks.

[suzard]

Hello and welcome to RootsChat

When you say you have "drawn a blank" on Phillip Phillips -do you mean you have no sighting of him at all -or when was the last sighting you have??

Suz

[suzard]

1861 Phillip Phillips is with parents and siblings  in Pentyrch
1871 Phillip is with brother Evan in Liverpool - they are lodgers - Phillip is a clerk to Provision merchant, Evan is Clerk to Cotton merchant
1875 Phillip married hannah Thomas Marriage reg freeBMD Mar qtr 1875 Cardiff reg dist  on same page Hannah Thomas Phillip Phillips 11a 319
1881 Phillip and Hannah are living in Wood Cottage garth pentyrch Glam - Phillip's sister Elizabeth is living with them Phillip is a Commercial traveller RG11 5275 72 4
1891 Hannah is a widow and living with her parents in Garth, Pentyrch

There are a couple of possible death reg's for Phillip

Suz

[suzard]

Marriage reg FreeBMD
 Jun qtr 1870
on same page
Abraham Phillips
Jemima Jones
11a 520

Suz

[Gwaelodian]

Suz, I am overwhelmed and so grateful.  I suppose I don't know how to search yet.... hence, I only find the easy stuff. I had Phillip at Wood Cottage with siblings... the easy census stuff.I know that John Phillips (b1852), Deborah (b1858-1887), Catherin (b1862) and Elizabeth Phillips(b 111864) were living at Wood Cottage when Abraham Phillips, their father, was killled.  Again, I haven't searched them yet.  Did you see these names?
I want to write up the mine disaster and get it recognised by the County in the hope they will restore what is left of it.  Mining blogs have  been helpful here.  I wondered if any of the Phillips ended up in hte work house, but it looks as if they made their way. Any further information much welcomed and will be credited.  thanks.

[suzard]

think this could be Abraham's first marriage reg

FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1847
Mertyr Tydfil
on same page Abraham Phillips
Elizabeth Morgan
2b 465

Suz

[suzard]

The youngest child of Abraham and Elizabeth seems to be Elizabeth -she is age 7 in 1871 census -and in 1881 she is living with Phillip and his wife.

I wonder if this is her birth reg
FreeBMD
Elizabeth Phillips
Mar qtr 1863
Cardiff
11a 229

and then I wonder if this is Elizabeth -wife of Abraham's death reg?

Elizabeth Phillips
Mar qtr 1863
Cardiff
11a 155

this is only a guess -as at that time ages were not given on death reg's.

and the name is not uncommon
Without certificates it is difficult to say.

Did Abraham and jemima have children???

I will follow the other siblings on the census - but it will be later tonight

Suz

[suzard]

  With reference to Jemima,  I cannot find her date of birth, not knowing her family name, but note that she returns to live in Bedwas, where she is listed as a char woman. She may have taken her surviving children with her...

I don't think Jemima had children with Abraham - looks like Elizabeth was the youngest child -and she was daughter of Elizabeth.

I cannot find Jemima back living in Bedwas after Abraham's death?
Where did you find that information???

1881
Nelson Village Glamorgan
Mary Williams head widow 53 Charwoman Llanfabon Glam
JEMIMA PHILLIPS visitor widow Bedwas Mon
RG11 5294 66 29

So Jemima didn't live in Nelson - she was a visiting on census night

Suz

[Gwaelodian]

The marriage you give is probably correct in that it ties in with the birth of their first child in 1848. The death cannot be the one as Elizabeth was born to her in 1864. As far as I can see Jemima had no children with Abraham.  She was 44 when listed as  married to Abraham Phillips in 1971 census. I estimate that the Phillips children ranged from 7-19 when they married and can see no sign of any other off-spring. I don't know Jemima's family name but know she came from Bedwas. As I wrote before, I think, it is likely that she and the younger children went there to live after the mining accident. Thanks again. How are you so very good at this?  Have you been doing it for ages or do you have a paid sub to one of the more extensive search engines?  So very grateful... and so very interested.  Thanks.