Elsie Victoria Lawrence

[Jessies Mum]

Or possibly Victoria Elsie Lawrence - born abt 1871 Clifton, G'shire, marrying John Dunbar in 1895.  Any information about her heritage would be most appreciated.  Have been informed that somewhere she may have been Lady Lawrence?  Not sure how this would happen?

[KGarrad]

Birth: March qtr 1869
Clifton district    vol 6a, page 65

Lawrence, Victoria Elsie


1881 census, reference RG11, Piece 2483, Folio 19, Page 34
8 Northcote Road, Clifton, Bristol

Lawrence, Jacob  Head  M  53  Shoemaker  b Hull, Yorkshire
Lawrence, Elizabeth  Wife  F  36  b Scawby Brook, Lincolnshire
Lawrence, Walter  Son  M  23  Carpenter & Shoemaker  b Hull
Lawrence, Arthur  Son  M  22  Waiter & Shoemaker  b Bristol
Lawrence, Charlotte  Daughter  F  15  Scholar  b Clifton
Lawrence, Victoria E  Daughter  F  12  Scholar  b Clifton
Lawrence, Christopher J  Son  M  7  Scholar  b Clifton


On 1871 census as Lawerence! And Victoria is down as Elise!
RG10, 2544, 68, 20

1861 census: RG09, 1727, 13, 19

[Jessies Mum]

sorry to ask, but any clues as to how I might find whether Elsie became a "Lady" in title?

[KGarrad]

Her marriage:
13 August 1895
Stoke Bishop, Bristol

Victoria Elsie Lawrence to
David Dunbar



And 1901 census: reference RG13, Piece 2370, Folio 26, Page 8
Glenbry, Kingsley Road, Bristol

Dunbar, John  Head  M  30  Analytical Chemist  b Scotland
Dunbar, Elsie  Wife  F  30  b Clifton
Dunbar, Robert  Son  M  5  b Barry, Glamorgan
Dunbar, Duncan  Son  M  3  b Sydenham, Kent
Ewens, Alice  Servant  F  17  Domestic Servant  b Bristol


So maybe John Dunbar was knighted?

[Jessies Mum]

Sorry, am in Australia and am not certain how the knighthood would take place - quite right though, if he is an analytical chemist, it could be as a result of his work - are there records I could check out possibly?

[KGarrad]

Probably in The London Gazette?

They have a website, and a search function.

[Jessies Mum]

Another query.  If someone is knighted, wouldn't that make the wife a dame?

[KGarrad]

Absolutely not!

A Dame is the female equivalent of being knighted.
A woman appointed to the grades of Dame Commander or Dame Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath, Order of St Michael and St George, Royal Victorian Order, or the Order of the British Empire becomes a Dame.
Women who are appointed to the Order of the Garter or Order of the Thistle are not given the title of "Dame" but "Lady".

The wife of Knighted man is called Lady.

[Jessies Mum]

Thank you so much for clarifying for me - just wasn't sure of the protocol behind it.  Still trying to see if there is something relevant to her or her husband.