Whittington Parish Mary Williams 1864

[Dave Male]

Good Morning

Many thanks in anticipation of help on this one.

I'd be grateful to know any details about Mary Jane Williams whose birth date is believed to be 18th July 1864 and place Whittington, Shropshire. Was she baptised in Whittington or perhaps nearby Oswestry etc. and if so when and where, and what were her parents forenames.

If it transpires that the parents names are Richard and Ann/e then they were both supposedly born in Whittington and therefore the likely marriage showing in FreeBMD is that of Richard Williams and Anne Jones in Oswestry District (probably Whittington logically) in the June ¼ of 1859 - marriage date and venue would be well received.

Many thanks for any time given to these requests.

Kind Regards - Dave

[CaroleW]

Does her marriage cert show her father as Richard?

[Dave Male]

Hi Carole

I don't have that information unfortunately. This is related to a 'cousin' of mine from Canada who has recently started ancestry with my assistance. I have recommended purchasing the relevant copy of the suspected birth certificate and marriage certificate, but I'm trying to advance the research whilst she decides to venture that far.

I have looked into the censuses which have only one Mary Williams born Whittington (one census shows her as 'May William') and these lead to my assumption of Richard being her father - this followed by a FreeBMD result based on the marriage of that father shortly before the first born - marriage in 1859 to an Anne Jones. I was looking to see if there was any way my follow through could be correct.

Kind Regards - Dave

[CaroleW]

Hi

I'm always cautious when surnames are Williams/Jones/Smith etc so would recommend getting the marriage cert.  Who did she marry and when as it may possibly be transcribed on the IGI Pilot site

Did you see the other 1871 entry for Mary J Williams b Whittington 1865 - parents John and Jane   RG10 Piece 2785 Folio 67 Page 15

1871 transcription is Mayd Williams b 1866 but image does not support that

The May William you mention is shown as b 1866

Unfortunately - both were in service on the 1881 census

[Dave Male]

Hi

Thanks for your input.

I'd already checked the new FamilySearch site and IGI records and had hoped to find someone who had access to the parish records, as they don't show on there.

I hadn't seen the other 'May' at Whittington so thanks for pointing that out - will consider it further. Agreed that the purchase of the marriage certificate would be the best action but not being my direct relative, I don't intend to spend money for something in which others should invest, but will leave that to my cousin. Although given the specific birth date there is only one registration that fits (given that births should have been registered within 6 weeks of the birth), but as there are many Mary Jane Williams (even Oswestry registered) I want to make sure.

It will become more obvious regarding my selection if you look at the 1881:
RG11; Piece: 2660; Folio: 110; Page: 10 - Mary (bottom but one) a servant but next door to a family of Williams in which Mary's age would fit well as a child. Using that as a possibility, I found (transcribed just as William) the same family in which probably Mary is shown but transcribed as May William.
RG10; Piece: 2785; Folio: 71; Page: 24

As often the case in censuses there appears to be a very slight age discrepancy possibly based on information not provided by the head of house or perhaps age being falsified for a 'servant' as may have been illegal.

I'm not discounting your other Mayd (which looks to be Mary J which fits), but have yet to find a corresponding 1881 census for that family as a double check.

UK 1891 census will not help, as they then show on records in Canada.

Kind Regards - Dave