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'Hopey' Wells
« on: Wednesday 11 July 12 15:56 BST (UK) »
William Wells, 1833.  Family story has it that William's daughter, Elizabeth, took him to London with her and her new husband, William Batten.  He, William, was reputed to be from Cornwall where he had a quite elevated position in the Romany community under the name of 'Hopey'. 
As with a lot of family stories, I can find no info. to support this.  My info. has William being one of the Wells of Windy Hall, Isleham. ( I'll ask for help with that one another time).
Please let me know if you can help.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 July 12 16:45 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I've checked and Wells is a known gypsy surname in the right time frame, in orset and somerset areas.  Have you managed to find him on the census from 1841 onwards?

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Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 July 12 05:15 BST (UK) »
from familysearch.org


WILLIAM WELLS
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Event(s):
Birth: 28 JUL 1832 General Baptist, Isleham, Cambridge, England

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Parents:
Father: EDWARD WELLS
Mother: HANNAH
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 July 12 10:40 BST (UK) »
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 July 12 15:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for info.

Hi Kazi
Yes I have 1841census  for Edward/Hannah and son William. In fact I have 2, as all the Wells at Windy Hall, Isleham, used such similar names.
Then I skip to 1891 census at Kensington with William, wife Sarah and my grandmother, Isadore Batten. She was actually Elizabeth Isadore Batten.
I have 1901 with, I think, the same William and Sarah and granchildren.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 July 12 20:35 BST (UK) »
Hi...  I can be extremely slow at times!

Where does Cornwall come into it??
Cambridge is a good county to find Traveller in though...

Do you have them in all the census or just the ones you mentioned??
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Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 July 12 22:44 BST (UK) »
OK - can see your problem here - it's not all clear

I'll post what I can find - feel free to discount anything - I can always mess it up!!!

William Batten
married 1888 3Q Kensington
Isidora Evelan KING

The I found Elixabeth Isadore Batten died 1941 St Albans aged 73 born c 1868
Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #7 on: Friday 13 July 12 23:53 BST (UK) »
Pondering this one.

William Battens parents Richard??? AKA Wm Batthen & wife Emma came to London around 1870/71 when William Jnr would have been 10 - so story may be amiss

but I often find the story has a kind of truth some way...

Have you got and address for 1901?
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Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.

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Re: 'Hopey' Wells
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 14 July 12 00:12 BST (UK) »
OK found them in 1901

then in 1871 too
Landsdown Rd Kensington
wm wells 33 chair cainer (good traveller proff) bn Farnham Kent
Sarah wells 34 charwoman bn Bushey Herts
Henry J Wells 4 scholar bn Kensington
E Wells 1 bn Kensington
Ellen Keating 11 adopted child bn kensington
Smith, Plumb, Booth, Slater, Purdy, Clayton, Loveridge
Gray, Parker, Elliott, Wright, Towle, Wesseldine, Margot's, Bacon, Blankley, Goodwin, Stafford.
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