John Williams 1855 and Family

[ladytodd]

Before I begin, I know that it doesn't help that this person has the two most common names of all to search for. However, I would be extremely grateful if someone can 'crack' this one for me - though I don't hold out much hope as I have been looking for so long now.
John Williams born in Clowne Derbyshire married Hannah Wildsmith born 1856c in Brimington, Derbys - in 1873 in Belper. I have him in 1871 census and in 1881 census with Hannah and their children Frederick 1877 Beighton, Henry 1879c Eckington and Joseph 1880c Eckington living in Hollinsworth Road, Eckington. John's occupation was coal miner. I have found a death for a John in 1900 aged 44 which would fit in with his birth year. The problem I have is that I cannot find any trace of the family in the 1891 census. If the death for John is correct I cannot find any trace for Hannah or her children in the 1901 or 1911 census. Again if the death is incorrect I suppose they could have emigrated but deep down I don't think this is a possibility. If anyone can help me in any way to find this family or give me some pointers as to where I should look I will be very happy. Thanks in advance Ladyt 

[spendlove]

Hi

The Marriage you quote for John Williams = Hannah Wildsmith September Q 1873 Belper 7b 767
is not correct.  There are two couples in this listing and unless you find the church record or purchase marriage registration certificate you can never be certain who married who.

In this instance John Williams = Bridget Davidson Hazelden 6th July 1873 at Ripley Parish Church.
The bride was aged 30, single dau of  Leonard Hazelden.  The groom was aged 42 a Widower, son
of John Williams.

Ripley is in the Belper Registration District, and a July wedding would appear in September Quarter.
You can see the church record by searching:-

https://www.familysearch.org/

Spendlove

[ladytodd]

I am pretty sure that John married a Hannah.  As I already mentioned he is in the 1881 census with wife Hannah and children. He quotes his place of birth as Clowne which is correct for the John Williams I am interested in.  As his wife is called Hannah I was looking for marriages around 1873 - 1875 to fit in with the childrens births with a spouse with the first name of Hannah. Hannah Wildsmith was the only one I could find that I thought had married a John Williams.

Ladyt

[spendlove]

Hi,

I agree he appears to have a wife Hannah - per census information.

According to Civil Registration Births, there are two recorded in the Chesterfield Registration District, this
district includes births in Beighton & Eckington, which are possibly their children:-

March Quarter 1879 Chesterfield 7b 714 for a Henry Williams

March Quarter 1880  Chesterfield 7b 724 for a Joseph Williams

You would have to purchase one of these certificates to discover the maiden name of the Mother.

I cannot find a birth for a Frederick Williams, which suggest he was possibly born prior to the marriage,
if this is the case then he will be registered in the Mother's maiden name.

In what Registration District is the death for a John Williams aged 44 ?

Spendlove

[wrjones]

Can you give the 1881 Census reference as searching on the Frederick born 1877 they don't show up?

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[wrjones]

I see them now!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[ladytodd]

Hi, I have John Williams death as 1Q 1900 Chesterfield Derbyshire 7b 576 aged 44 which fits in with his birth year. I was wondering if Frederick could be a middle name. In my experience if a child had the first name of the Father or the Mother even, they sometimes called the child by their middle name so the birth may be John Frederick - just a stab in the dark really ! Ladyt

[wrjones]

One thing is for sure there is no sign of any of the family after 1881.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[ladytodd]

This is what is so puzzling. I have been looking into this family since I have been researching my tree. I have never got beyond 1881 (obviously) and used to think they had emigrated. I keep coming back to them because I don't want to be defeated but I think I am going to have to throw in the towel now. I will now either order a birth certificate for one of the children - to get the mother's maiden name or order a death certificate for John to confirm it is the John from my tree. In a way I'm glad no-one else has found anything because then I know it's not me not looking hard enough - if that makes sense. Thank you for your time.
Ladyt