Author Topic: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne (COMPLETED - THANKS TO ALL)  (Read 10109 times)

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 July 12 08:14 BST (UK) »
From W.A marriages http://www.wamarriage.info/
there is a marriage for a Catherine Paterson to  Major J Rogers in 1918 in Murchison, WA.  Now I think you said that she was still in Melbourne in 1920 so this is probably not her.  I checked the deaths of Catherine/Katherine Rogers in WA and there are several without parents' names given so not able to include/exclude her from that.

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 July 12 09:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros,

Interesting re possible marriage. The 1920 Melbourne residence date is very approximate. The last confirmed record I have for her is marriage record on 28 Nov 1916 in Inverness.

The address in East Brunswick is from the CWGC record for the death of her husband in April 1917 but I cannot establish when that record was created. It has been suggested that the record would be created sometime after the end of WW1 hence the "circa 1920". Will therefore keep an open mind on the marriage record you cite for the moment.

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 July 12 09:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Neil,

Unfortunately Agnes Drummond #1652 death in 1962 is not my one. Neither of the parents names are correct and DOB slightly out.

Used your link to search again but no luck so far.

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 July 12 09:33 BST (UK) »
This looks interesting ....?

Agnes Henderson Drummond wants a divorce from husband who deserted her 20 years ago to marry again.  This is in 1938.

Wrong middle name but relevant  ...?

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article82573416

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adding : No sorry Agnes Henderson Drummond was married to George Watt Drummond
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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 July 12 10:29 BST (UK) »
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Catherine (Katherine) Paterson nee Henderson b 30 Jun 1885 Invernesshire emigrated to Melbourne
(possibly sailing on the "Osterley" Departing London 1st December 1916 however unconfirmed and
date of sailing does not fit).

Did you Catherine have a second given name?   This person is listed with many domestics whose ages are entered in the column, Female not accompanied by husband.  I interpret that as single.

Katherine H PATERSON 30 years, domestic, ticketed to Sydney, departed London 1 Dec 1916 on the OSTERLEY.  Last country of permanent residence, Scotland.  Country of intended permanent residence, Australia.

A bit odd to leave prior to the death of her husband in Apr 1917.

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Last known address 206 Alberta Street, East Brunswick, Melbourne circa 1920.

This would be 206 Albert Street, East Brunswick.  Google maps and streetview...a very modest residence :)  Is the address from a letter?

There is another possibility although the age is not a match..... Katherine PATERSON 29 years, domestic, who departed London on 16 Sep 1920 on the BERRIMA  Country of last permanent residence Scotland. Country of intended permanent residence, Australia.

Marriage
PATERSON Katherine
WARD George Albert
1923  Reg# 6366

The age is way out but the note the names of the parents.
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Father Robert Henderson Mother Christina McLaren

Death
WARD Catherine
Father Robert HENDERSON Mother Christina McLAREN
At Cheltenham  30 years  1928  Reg#5351

Images of certs can be purchased online [AUD$20] and immediately downloaded.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

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Cando
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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 July 12 11:36 BST (UK) »
After finding these deaths I realise I have made an error interpreting the place of death shown as CHAM for C/Katherine.  It should be Cunninghame.

WARD Hector
Father Ward George Albert   Mother Catherine HENDERSON
At Bairnsdale  1926  Reg#109

WARD Gordon Maxwell
Father Ward George Albert  Mother Katherine  HENDERSON
At [CHAME] Cunninghame  1927  Reg#1279

Buried at Bairnsdale Cemetery

WARD Catherine  30 years
Interred 12 Jun 1928
Late Residence    Nyerimilang
Section -  Lawn  Register No 1785
Occupation  Home duties

WARD Hector  0 years
Born   Mar 1926  Interred 9 Mar 1926
Section    Roman Catholic  Register No 1597
Remarks    Re-open #2094 
Occupation Infant

WARD George Albert  92 years
Late Residence    Bairnsdale
Interred 12 Feb 1992
Section Lawn  Register No 6825

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 July 12 08:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Cando,

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Did you Catherine have a second given name?   This person is listed with many domestics whose ages are entered in the column, Female not accompanied by husband.  I interpret that as single.
A bit odd to leave prior to the death of her husband in Apr 1917.

No middle name but H could have been for her maiden name. On balance I do not think the Osterley record is her as she had only been married a few days before Osterley sailed and her husband returned to the front in January. As you say unlikely to leave him at that time. Also the Osterley passenger was accompanied on the trip by an Elsie Paterson and her husband did not have a sister of that name.

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This would be 206 Albert Street, East Brunswick.  Google maps and streetview...a very modest residence Smiley  Is the address from a letter?

Address is from CWGC record for her husband. I am not familiar with the area - is it well known?

The Ward records are intriguing. As you say the date is way out and as it is repeated in both marriage and death record then I can only assume it is a coincidence of names - but very strange to have all the names coincide like that.

Many thanks for your efforts. Much appreciated.

I am still working through all the possibilities opened up by everyone's suggestions but will get back once I have finished.

ikas

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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 July 12 11:34 BST (UK) »
I don't think it is a coincidence. I think your Catherine married a much younger man and it is quite evident she altered her age. 

A cert or two would help you.  Are you aware of the information on certificates in Victoria?

From the Resource and Offers board..

Deaths
 Date and place of death;
 name and surname;
 occupation of the deceased;
 sex and age;
 cause of death,
 duration of illness,
 medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased;
 name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname        signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;  signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered,
 when and where buried,
 undertaker whom certified;
 name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial;
 place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in theAustralian           colonies or states (stating which),
 name of spouse,
 place of marriage,
 age at marriage;
 names and ages of children of the deceased.
 
Marriages
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
 conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
birthplace;
 occupation;
 age;
 residence (present and usual);
parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of    father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.

I think my choice would be the marriage certificate as the information is given by the people themselves not a third party.  The highlighted information would either prove that this Catherine is yours or eliminate her from your search.

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Address is from CWGC record for her husband. I am not familiar with the area - is it well known?
A suburb of Melbourne.  Search google maps and street view.

I have done a little more research and found a George Albert WARD at Kalimna on the electoral rolls with a Michael and Sarah WARD in 1924.  There is a George Albert WARD born to Michael WARD and Sarah JEFFERSON in 1899.  He is on the electoral roll with occupation farmer until 1954 and then he moved to Lakes Entrance and eventually Bairnsdale, where he died.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

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Cando
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Re: Katherine PATERSON nee Henderson Melbourne
« Reply #17 on: Friday 20 July 12 12:26 BST (UK) »
Another possiblity
Did he remarry?


WARD Geo Albt
BENNETT Isabel Flor
Year 1930
Registration 5553

I see on the Electoral Roll from 1924 GEORGE ALBERT WARD as a farmer in Kalimna
until 1943 where an adddress is given as WOODBINE HOUSE Lakes Entrance.

Isabel Florence placed some newspaper advetisements in from 19381937 promoting the establishment

1938 1937

"WOODBINE HOUSE - Under new management
Everything for the perfect holiday Mrs G A Ward proprietress… PO Box 11 Telephone ….."

She is buried at Bairnsdale Cemetery

WARD, Isobel Florence
13th June 195961.
Aged 73
Residence- 2 Ward Street Bairnsdale
(I cannot give specific location, but C of E)

Here is a picture of Woodbine House-

http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=woodbine+house+lakes+entrance

Sue

This edit adds the link to the advertisement, corrects the year and specifies the date.
Apologies!

The Argus, Saturday 4 September 1937

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/592289?zoomLevel=3&searchTerm="woodbine house" +kalimna&searchLimits=

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