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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 27 August 12 01:59 BST (UK) »
Hi,
There's a death notice in the Cambrian for a John  Kift -  dated 20 September 1872, which matches the inquest month, and death on the free BMD

"ON 2 SEPTEMBER, AT 4 GAM STREET, SWANSEA, AT THE HOME OF HIS DAUGHTER, MR JOHN KIFT, AGED 77. P8"

Put kift into the  Cambrian search , you'll find a few newspaper articles that may be belonging to your family. Have you an Elizabeth Kift in your family? There's a few articles of an inquest of her new born child held in Newton  Oystermouth

Ther's also this one - "SWANSEA POLICE: OLIVE THERESA KIFT, 17, DAUGHTER OF JOSEPH KIFT, TOBACCONIST, NEWTON ROAD, MUMBLES, ASSAULTED"

http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=6197

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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 August 12 23:48 BST (UK) »
Unlikely to get over to WGAS this week; next week quite likely, late on I think, so I'll let you know. I'll snap what is there. The writing is a bit contorted but readable.

Typically you get 3 or 4 pages as far as I can tell. A list of the jury members and their signatures, evidence from witnesses and/or the police etc. And a written summary/finding by the coroner. Quite informative.

Bernard
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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 August 12 12:02 BST (UK) »
That would be great, Bernad. I am hoping to receive Emma Clare's death cert within a few days .

many thanks

bellou  :) :)
Wingham - Brighton, Sussex ,London
Hedgecock - Sussex
Green - Kent , Sussex ,Gloucs
Wescombe - Kent , Sussex
Holloway - Oldbury, Worcs
Hixson - Oystermouth, Glamorgan
Marshall - Ashton Under Lyne,
Lee - Ashton Under Lyne
Kift - Glamorgan
Bushnell, - Oxfordshire
Munday - Hampshire , Oxfordshire
Naylor - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Bramwell - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Messenger - Oxfordshire
Allwright - Oxfordshire
Harvey - Bow and Poplar , East London .
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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 31 August 12 16:21 BST (UK) »
This family tragedy is getting quite bizarre . Emma and Mary Kift certainly seem to be twins and they are registered in the same quarter in 1866, were baptised together and then buried within a few days of each other aged 2 in 1868. The family story is they were killed in a fire at Clift Close, Caswell, Oystermouth in Glamorgan .
 
However, I have just received Emma Clara Kift's death certificate . It certainly shows that she died on 10th April 1868 at Clift Close, Oystermouth aged 2 and is the daughter of John Kift. Her mother Caroline Kift is the informant who was 'present at the death' . However, the cause of death is shown as 'CONVULSIONS CERTIFIED'.

So should I get the other twin's death certificate ? Were there other children in the family who were killed in a fire in Clift Close? Any thoughts anyone ??

Bellou  :) :)
Wingham - Brighton, Sussex ,London
Hedgecock - Sussex
Green - Kent , Sussex ,Gloucs
Wescombe - Kent , Sussex
Holloway - Oldbury, Worcs
Hixson - Oystermouth, Glamorgan
Marshall - Ashton Under Lyne,
Lee - Ashton Under Lyne
Kift - Glamorgan
Bushnell, - Oxfordshire
Munday - Hampshire , Oxfordshire
Naylor - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Bramwell - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Messenger - Oxfordshire
Allwright - Oxfordshire
Harvey - Bow and Poplar , East London .
Camebus - East London , Croydon

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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 31 August 12 23:50 BST (UK) »
Infant mortality was high in the 19th c and I suspect that the 'family story' is incorrect, as the cert seems to show.

Personally, I  would get the other cert. Might well show death cause was disease?

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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 07 September 12 19:29 BST (UK) »
Bellou - I have the images of the coroners reports for both adults. At a glance there appears to be no skull-duggery involved. Coroner probably involved because they were sudden deaths, I think.

If you PM me your e-mail address I'll send them on to you.

Bernard
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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 07 November 12 16:54 GMT (UK) »
How kind Bernard  :-*

Bellou - are you happy that this thread can be marked Complete?

Best Wishes
Morgan

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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 07 November 12 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Yes thank you. Bernard has been great sending me the records . Thanks everyone
Bellou :) :)
Wingham - Brighton, Sussex ,London
Hedgecock - Sussex
Green - Kent , Sussex ,Gloucs
Wescombe - Kent , Sussex
Holloway - Oldbury, Worcs
Hixson - Oystermouth, Glamorgan
Marshall - Ashton Under Lyne,
Lee - Ashton Under Lyne
Kift - Glamorgan
Bushnell, - Oxfordshire
Munday - Hampshire , Oxfordshire
Naylor - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Bramwell - Bakewell, Derbyshire
Messenger - Oxfordshire
Allwright - Oxfordshire
Harvey - Bow and Poplar , East London .
Camebus - East London , Croydon

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Re: Records of Kift family tragedy in Gower?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 07 November 12 23:48 GMT (UK) »
 :)

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Author 'Swansea and the Workhouse - the Poor Law in 19th century Swansea' (2003); 'Swansea Pals - the 14th (Service) Battalion, the Welsh Regiment in the Great War' (2004); 'Foul Deeds and Suspicious Deaths Around Swansea''. (2009); 'Swansea in the Great War' ( 2014); 'Neath! Neath! Neath! The Record-Breaking 1988/89 Season' (2016). My blog: https://bernardlewisauthor.wordpress.com/
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