1851-1881, Scotland, Barbour

[Cjennmom]

I'm looking for the family of William Barbour and Elizabeth Hamilton.  The one child I know for them is William, b. ~1848.  The elder William had died by 1878 when his son married Agnes Gray.  The younger William married in Glasgow Calton but was listed as living in Symington, Ayrshire.  I don't know where he was born.

Upadate 8/29/12 11:13AM:  I see a lot  of answers.  I'll update with the text I got off the marriage register to help narrow things down.

June 7, 1878 534 Gallowgate, Glasgow After banns according to the form the the Free Church William Barbour, ploughman, age 30 Symington Ayrshire and Agnes Gray domestic servant age 24 534 Gallowgate, Glasgow. Parents: William Barbour, ploughman (deceased) and Elizabeth Barbour M.S. Hamilton; David Gray, ploughman (deceased) and Christina Gray M.S. Paterson. William Barras Minister, Babla (sp) Gray and Thomas Hamilton Witnesses.

I also found a companion tree on ancestry and got the following children for the family, Margaret's siblings..

Christina Barbour 1878 –
David Barbour 1880 –
Elizabeth Barbour 1882 –
Agnes Barbour 1884 –
Margaret 'Maggie' Barbour / Horner 1886 – 1979

[Ruskie]

completely wrong
This may be the family:
1861
69 Tobago St
Glasgow Calton
Mathew Barber 46 b Paisley Renfrewshire pattern weaver
Elisabeth 44 b Paisley
Elisabeth daur 18 Paisley Power loom weaver
Mathew son 16 do Writer ap
William son 14 do writer office boy
John son 11 do

Am I mad or was the original request for father Mathew and son Mathew?  On second thoughts, don't answer that. 

[Ruskie]

wrong too:

I am not sure if this is the correct family. There are a lot of similarities but some glaring differences. THis may be due to the horrible transcription by Ancestry. I will just write what they have transcribed and let you work out if it may be the correct family. I will put any oddities in italics. 

1871
Step Village House
Cadder


John Barbour 56 Risley keld Bersaig Cotton Fodey Manager
Eliza M 55 b Risley
Matthew 26 son calice prestin book keeper
William K son 34* law clerk**
John M son 21 stationer's salesman

* If this is your family I suspect this age should be 24 (rather than 34) - this would also make sense as ages are written in order oldest to youngest in the family
**does this occupation fit in with your William's occupation on his marriage certificate?

It might be worth buying some credits for Scotlands People to view this census for yourself if you think it may be the correct famly.

[andycand]

Hi

Do you have information on children of William Barbour & Agnes Gray, this would help locating the family in a census after the marriage, that would give us Williams birthplace.

There is a possible for the family in 1881 in Kimaurs Ayrshire

William Barbour 34 born Craigie, Ayrshire, Labourer Iron Stone Pit
Agnes Barbour 27 born Tollcross, Lanarkshire
Christina Barbour 2 born Kilmaurs, Ayrshire
David Barbour 1 born Kilmaurs, Ayrshire

Andy

[andycand]

Hi

Do you have information on children of William Barbour & Agnes Gray, this would help locating the family in a census after the marriage, that would give us Williams birthplace.

There is a possible for the family in 1881 in Kimaurs Ayrshire

William Barbour 34 born Craigie, Ayrshire, Labourer Iron Stone Pit
Agnes Barbour 27 born Tollcross, Lanarkshire
Christina Barbour 2 born Kilmaurs, Ayrshire
David Barbour 1 born Kilmaurs, Ayrshire

Andy

The parents of this William seem to be David Barbour & Elizabeth Martin. In 1891 census Williams household includes a younger sister Maggie born c1859, her birth registration has parents as David Barbour & Elizabeth Martin.

Andy   

[Ruskie]

Cjennmom has started a couple of other threads related to this family. 

[ev]

It might be worthwhile looking at the death certificate of William Barbour(1847-1894?) to see what it has for his parents
An online tree has parents as David Barbour(1822-1871) and Elizabeth Martin(1823-1884)

Although you would think that parent information on a marriage certificate would be fairly accurate
its fair to say that many Rootschatters have found that not to be true 

SP has a death William Barbour 1894 Dennistoun Lanark , born c1847
also Agnes Barbour(other surname Gray) death 1888 Lanark , born c1854

ev

Added - Children of William Barbour and Agnes Gray ?
Christina b. 1878 , David b. 1880 , Elizabeth b. 1882 , Agnes b. 1884 , Maggie b. 1886

[sancti]

What was the occupation of the deceased William on the marriage record?

[Cjennmom]

Both 2x and 3x William were listed as ploughmen.

I am not sure if this is the correct family. There are a lot of similarities but some glaring differences. THis may be due to the horrible transcription by Ancestry. I will just write what they have transcribed and let you work out if it may be the correct family. I will put any oddities in italics. 

1871
Step Village House
Cadder

John Barbour 56 Risley keld Bersaig Cotton Fodey Manager
Eliza M 55 b Risley
Matthew 26 son calice prestin book keeper
William K son 34* law clerk**
John M son 21 stationer's salesman

* If this is your family I suspect this age should be 24 (rather than 34) - this would also make sense as ages are written in order oldest to youngest in the family
**does this occupation fit in with your William's occupation on his marriage certificate?

It might be worth buying some credits for Scotlands People to view this census for yourself if you think it may be the correct famly.